Even sharp points question

pdcue said:
OR, he is someone who cares more for functionality than for adornment.

Dale(did you see what I did there?)
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Great makers care the same about functionality AND adornment and achieve excellence in both...
 
qbilder said:
I do. It's attention to detail. In a refinish, if something comes off, it should be put back before the new finish is applied. That's what a competent maker would do. No matter how great a maker is, points do not always come out even. In fact, it rarely happens, especially with cues that have narrow & long points like I make. A 4-point cue with shorter, wide points is very easy to keep even because of the severe angle they're cut at. Not so easy with long, narrow points. The angle is quite shallow, making them significantly more susceptible to unevenness due to the slightest movement or off center. There's a reason you don't see many guys making cues with multiples of long points. Many more guys make 4-pointers. Even 6-pointers are greatly more "user friendly" than 8-pointers, because they have room to be wider. Anybody who cuts points, especially regularly, understands these things. A refinish should be no big issue.

Case in point, three forearms here. All have very long, very narrow points, with recut points inside of base points. Two of these forearms required minor adjustment of point tips to make them even. Can anybody see which ones? No. And if they can then I did a bad job. I'm pretty confident that the points will remain even during a refinish where the cue gets sanded, but if they do fluctuate a little, it would be nice if the guy doing the job would even them back up before applying the new finish. I would. Even if I refinish somebody else's cue, I would attempt to get the points even. It's his name on the cue, not mine, but it's a respectful courtesy as I'd hope he would do the same for me.
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It is not often that I learn something new on AZB, but this thread gets it done. Thanks to Eric (qbilder) for the information and crobwin for starting the discussion. I am surprised that touch-up work to even points cannot be felt in my hand or be obvious when rolling a cue. But I am impressed that it can.

Eric makes great cues with the most exotic and beautiful woods. If I was a collector and didn't already own 2 great long-time players, I would want one.

Thanks again.
 
Sealegs50 said:
I am surprised that touch-up work to even points cannot be felt in my hand or be obvious when rolling a cue. But I am impressed that it can.
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They shouldn't be off nearly enough to require so much adjustment that it can be felt. If the "A" joint goes together straight with no obvious wobble, then the points will remain relatively even. At an extreme, the cue would have a very slight egg shape at the tips of the points, but wouldn't affect how the cue rolls & once the finish is on, shouldn't be felt.
 
pdcue said:
OR, he is someone who cares more for functionality than for adornment.

Dale(did you see what I did there?)
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Nope, don't see what you did there. Is it not possible to construct a solid playing cue, then go back in before finish and touch up the aesthetic details? Safe to say we all care about functionality over adornment, but some of us apparently go the extra mile & want the aesthetic details to be appealing, too. Like I said, if you cut corners on the obvious stuff, then what else are you skimping on?
 
qbilder said:
Nope, don't see what you did there. Is it not possible to construct a solid playing cue, then go back in before finish and touch up the aesthetic details? Safe to say we all care about functionality over adornment, but some of us apparently go the extra mile & want the aesthetic details to be appealing, too. Like I said, if you cut corners on the obvious stuff, then what else are you skimping on?
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You're right. My father, great man that he was, taught me anything worth doing is worth doing right...
 
skins said:
You're right. My father, great man that he was, taught me anything worth doing is worth doing right...
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Seems a given to me, common sense. Anything less than your best is laziness, IMO. In the topic of points, it's such an easy & quick detail touch up. It adds no appreciable time to the build and requires no special skills. There's really no reason to not do it.
 
qbilder said:
Nope, don't see what you did there. Is it not possible to construct a solid playing cue, then go back in before finish and touch up the aesthetic details? Safe to say we all care about functionality over adornment, but some of us apparently go the extra mile & want the aesthetic details to be appealing, too. Like I said, if you cut corners on the obvious stuff, then what else are you skimping on?
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What I did there was point out that your logic is flawed and therefore, your
conclusion is unsupported.

Here's a hint:

Deekamon is considered to be beyond a great cuemaker by many.

Dale
 
pdcue said:
What I did there was point out that your logic is flawed and therefore, your
conclusion is unsupported.

Here's a hint:

Deekamon is considered to be beyond a great cuemaker by many.

Dale
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Yeah. We'll let that be YOUR little secret.
 
pdcue said:
What I did there was point out that your logic is flawed and therefore, your
conclusion is unsupported.

Here's a hint:

Deekamon is considered to be beyond a great cuemaker by many.

Dale
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I've seen Dieckman cues with points that are way off on one side. By inches.
 
qbilder said:
Seems a given to me, common sense. Anything less than your best is laziness, IMO. In the topic of points, it's such an easy & quick detail touch up. It adds no appreciable time to the build and requires no special skills. There's really no reason to not do it.
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It "seems a given" to you because you obviously had influence to help you form your thoughts along the way, developed an eye for detail, and NEED to keep a standard. Some don't have that nor feel the "need" even though they've driven down the same road. So NO it's not common sense. It's an acquired sense. You have and use it. :).. Some will never have it...
 
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pdcue said:
What I did there was point out that your logic is flawed and therefore, your
conclusion is unsupported.

Here's a hint:

Deekamon is considered to be beyond a great cuemaker by many.

Dale
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Would you care to share your opposing thoughts? Rather than point out that I'm wrong, how about explaining why I'm wrong & then what the correct logic would be.
 
qbilder said:
Yeah. We'll let that be YOUR little secret.
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pdcue: "Deekamon is considered to be beyond a great cuemaker by many."

Always exceptions to the rule. Deekamom defines exception.

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