Can a Pool Player Prevent Missing Shots by Constant, Consistent, Calibration?

[CJ Wiley]

The center of vision establishes the feet position

I would agree completely CJ. I would simply add that alignment of body (stance, bridge, and head) all have an affect on the above. I know that when I miss it is typically one of the three that you have outlined as to what caused the miss. However, #2 and even #3 can be affected by body alignment. I find that #3 in particular is why I rattle a ball, miss a carom shot, or combination shot. #1 can often result in #3 happening...as can #2. #1 is typically a lack of focus/resolve and confidence.

I will usually focus on my footwork when I first start practicing, because my feet set the foundation for the rest of my body.

The shoulder positions are also very important, and is my focus before my bridge. The feet, hands, shoulders, hips, and head should connect as one unit. The hips should control the head's movement down on the shot, so the rest of the body angles (especially the back) can stay consistent as possible.

The center of vision establishes the feet position, the first thing you want to do is get you vision square to the "line of the shot," so you can see it clearly, and naturally.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

CJ,

Uwate asked a question earlier and I didn't see a response...I may have missed it. But I am also interested in his question.

He asked if you could elaborate a bit on reason #1, how lack of proper acceleration could effect the aim. This is sort of counter-intuitive, as most might imagine that this would only effect the cueball action and movement, not so much the accuracy.

I believe you talked about this some on one of the DVD's I got from you. You were showing a shot where the object ball is like a balls width from the side rail, maybe a diamond or so up from the pocket, and it is a medium to thin cut. You were saying how poor acceleration might make you send it into the side rail, but good acceleration makes you cut it in clean.

I would like to hear a little more about the relationship between the acceleration and the *direction* the cueball goes.

Very interested in this because my "feelings" understands what you are saying, but my brain and logic doesn't.

Thanks in advance,

KMRUNOUT

 

[The Renfro]

CJ,

Uwate asked a question earlier and I didn't see a response...I may have missed it. But I am also interested in his question.

He asked if you could elaborate a bit on reason #1, how lack of proper acceleration could effect the aim. This is sort of counter-intuitive, as most might imagine that this would only effect the cueball action and movement, not so much the accuracy.

I believe you talked about this some on one of the DVD's I got from you. You were showing a shot where the object ball is like a balls width from the side rail, maybe a diamond or so up from the pocket, and it is a medium to thin cut. You were saying how poor acceleration might make you send it into the side rail, but good acceleration makes you cut it in clean.

I would like to hear a little more about the relationship between the acceleration and the *direction* the cueball goes.

Very interested in this because my "feelings" understands what you are saying, but my brain and logic doesn't.

Thanks in advance,

KMRUNOUT

I am sure CJ will get to this but from experience if you are not hitting the ball crisply ie accelerating poorly you are going to get thru the ball muddy... as in your tip and cueing angle and your tip work isn't going to be precise... You may end up even dragging the cueball a little because you decelerated... Will be interesting to hear CJ's answer I just wanted to see how close my feelings are on it so don't take it as me trying to answer for him.....

 

[HawaiianEye]

I am sure CJ will get to this but from experience if you are not hitting the ball crisply ie accelerating poorly you are going to get thru the ball muddy... as in your tip and cueing angle and your tip work isn't going to be precise... You may end up even dragging the cueball a little because you decelerated... Will be interesting to hear CJ's answer I just wanted to see how close my feelings are on it so don't take it as me trying to answer for him.....

I think the "scientists" may tell you this is impossible. How can you drag the cue ball with your cue? I know what you are talking about, but Einstein and the other geniuses may have other ideas.

Aloha.

 

[The Renfro]

I think the "scientists" may tell you this is impossible. How can you drag the cue ball with your cue? I know what you are talking about, but Einstein and the other geniuses may have other ideas.

Aloha.

Yeah yeah... they also tell me I can't stroke up thru the ball. Geniuses have never seen a lever and fulcrum. Ie Cue and Bridge hand.. I think they don't draw those in the models.. Would love to get one of them on a 9ft with old backed Mali and watch them try and draw the rock... Better would be getting them out on a bartrap with the mudball and the old backed cloth... There is a difference between in theory and in practice...

Aloha

 

[CJ Wiley]

TOI (and TOO) does increase the target by how I'm approaching the shot

CJ,

Uwate asked a question earlier and I didn't see a response...I may have missed it. But I am also interested in his question.

He asked if you could elaborate a bit on reason #1, how lack of proper acceleration could effect the aim. This is sort of counter-intuitive, as most might imagine that this would only effect the cueball action and movement, not so much the accuracy.

I believe you talked about this some on one of the DVD's I got from you. You were showing a shot where the object ball is like a balls width from the side rail, maybe a diamond or so up from the pocket, and it is a medium to thin cut. You were saying how poor acceleration might make you send it into the side rail, but good acceleration makes you cut it in clean.

I would like to hear a little more about the relationship between the acceleration and the *direction* the cueball goes.

Very interested in this because my "feelings" understands what you are saying, but my brain and logic doesn't.

Thanks in advance,

KMRUNOUT

When I use a 'Touch of Inside' or a touch of outside I calibrate the acceleration with how much the object ball cuts. When using outside I try to spin the ball, when using the TOI I try NOT to spin the cue ball (although, of course every shot spins slightly).

When I under-cut a ball slightly I IMMEDIATELY accelerate more on the next shot. I want to continue to focus on connecting to the center of the pocket, while aligning/aiming to the inside of the pocket. This gives me the biggest margin of error and 'Pocket Zone' that I can produce.

Of course this doesn't actually enlarge the pocket, however, TOI (and TOO) does increase the target by how I'm approaching the shot. If I aimed at the center I couldn't accomplish this, and besides, on cut shots it's impossible to see the center, although you can FEEL the inside of the pocket with practice.

 

[SJDinPHX]

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[SJDinPHX]

I will usually focus on my footwork when I first start practicing, because my feet set the foundation for the rest of my body.

The shoulder positions are also very important, and is my focus before my bridge. The feet, hands, shoulders, hips, and head should connect as one unit. The hips should control the head's movement down on the shot, so the rest of the body angles (especially the back) can stay consistent as possible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all those body parts, ALWAYS been connected..as one unit ??? ..See, this is why, when you are grasping for words to explain your confusing thoughts, you either state the obvious, or you drift off into something that is completely indecipherable !..When are you going to take my advice, and learn to re-read your posts, before you hit the submit button ?

PS..Or maybe you could have Bunter, or Mr.Eye, proofread your posts for 'coherent' content !..Their IQ, is at least 3-4 points above yours ! But then, what fun would I have, if you did that ! :groucho:

 

[CJ Wiley]

the HIPS push back, away from the target to move the upper body down

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all those body parts, ALWAYS been connected..as one unit ??? ..See, this is why, when you are grasping for words to explain your confusing thoughts, you either state the obvious, or you drift off into something that is completely indecipherable !..When are you going to take my advice, and learn to re-read your posts, before you hit the submit button ?

PS..Or maybe you could have Bunter, or Mr.Eye, proofread your posts for 'coherent' content !..Their IQ, is at least 3-4 points above yours ! But then, what fun would I have, if you did that ! :groucho:

It's probably been too long since you've played pool to remember. After 10 years it probably all becomes a blurr.

The angles that the shoulders, arms, wrists, and fingers create to stroke the cue straight and accurately must be generated BEFORE getting down on the shot to learn this connection. When making the practice strokes the body is in basically the same position it will be in when down on the shot.

The shoulders turn to get the cue on the line of the shot and the HIPS push back, away from the target to move the upper body down. If the player drops down using their back they will not be able to maintain the shoulder positioning and they will slump, and the lower back will also not stay positioned correctly.

 

[liakos]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all those body parts, ALWAYS been connected..as one unit ??? ..See, this is why, when you are grasping for words to explain your confusing thoughts, you either state the obvious, or you drift off into something that is completely indecipherable !..When are you going to take my advice, and learn to re-read your posts, before you hit the submit button ?

PS..Or maybe you could have Bunter, or Mr.Eye, proofread your posts for 'coherent' content !..Their IQ, is at least 3-4 points above yours ! But then, what fun would I have, if you did that ! :groucho:

I've come to the conclusion that you can't be corrected

I think one of the problems is one of you guys is drowning in a fish bowl and the other is happily swimming in the vast ocean with all of life's beautiful creations!

So, SJD, I hope the bowl isn't deep enough for you to drown, OR, your wearing a life preserver

Eli

 

[liakos]

I will usually focus on my footwork when I first start practicing, because my feet set the foundation for the rest of my body.

The shoulder positions are also very important, and is my focus before my bridge. The feet, hands, shoulders, hips, and head should connect as one unit. The hips should control the head's movement down on the shot, so the rest of the body angles (especially the back) can stay consistent as possible.

The center of vision establishes the feet position, the first thing you want to do is get you vision square to the "line of the shot," so you can see it clearly, and naturally.

This kinda sums up my psr when I have a long difficult shot with qb on the rail!

I seem to really focus on my head and shoulder placement way before I even start to get down. If I'm off or uncomfortable with where I am, I walk around and walk back into the shot. I seem to have great success when I focus like that on the shot!

My pocketing has gone up significantly because of my foot placement. Now what I'm trying to do is to have a repeatable psr to become even more consistent!

P.S. CJ, last night I played at the local hall on there right pocket table(4")! I broke and ran 2 racks in a row of 10-ball. On the last 10, I fired the shot in and just happened to stay perfectly down after I shot and looked at my foot alignment with shot line,, almost dead nuts perfect I owe you big sir! Hopefully I'll be able to find you in August-Sept, for a lesson or 2! Thanks

 

[CJ Wiley]

due to the small margin of error, it may be even more important

This kinda sums up my psr when I have a long difficult shot with qb on the rail!

I seem to really focus on my head and shoulder placement way before I even start to get down. If I'm off or uncomfortable with where I am, I walk around and walk back into the shot. I seem to have great success when I focus like that on the shot!

My pocketing has gone up significantly because of my foot placement. Now what I'm trying to do is to have a repeatable psr to become even more consistent!

P.S. CJ, last night I played at the local hall on there right pocket table(4")! I broke and ran 2 racks in a row of 10-ball. On the last 10, I fired the shot in and just happened to stay perfectly down after I shot and looked at my foot alignment with shot line,, almost dead nuts perfect I owe you big sir! Hopefully I'll be able to find you in August-Sept, for a lesson or 2! Thanks

I'm glad to be able to help you my friend.

Footwork is very important in all sports, and pool is no exception. As a matter of fact, due to the small margin of error, it may be even more important in pool than golf.

 

[DTL]

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[one stroke]

I'm glad to be able to help you my friend.

Footwork is very important in all sports, and pool is no exception. As a matter of fact, due to the small margin of error, it may be even more important in pool than golf.

LMFAO now that's funny ,, it's far easier to deliver a cue on its intended path with your feet in differant places than it is to deliver a club at 120 mph to its intended line with your feet out of line because thiers so many more moving parts in a golf swing


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[liakos]

LMFAO now that's funny ,, it's far easier to deliver a cue on its intended path with your feet in differant places than it is to deliver a club at 120 mph to its intended line with your feet out of line because thiers so many more moving parts in a golf swing


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You're pretty smart now think of how many things need to stay still while executing the "stroke"! (With accuracy of course)

And while we are at it, how much difference in "swing" is there between pool and golf?

 

[(((Satori)))]

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6067422

^^^^^^ What is the story on this guy? Is he the guy who taught Landon Shuffet how to play?

 

[one stroke]

You're pretty smart now think of how many things need to stay still while executing the "stroke"! (With accuracy of course)

And while we are at it, how much difference in "swing" is there between pool and golf?

In pool with a true pendulum stroke nothing moves but the forearm , in golf basicly the only thing still is the head and the left leg if right handed everything else is moving
No comparison

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[Seneca Steve]

I enjoy CJ`s ideas. It would be nice if other professionals would share their thoughts. Especially the over the hill guys. The ones who no longer compete. After all this game needs all the help it can get to make a comeback.

 

[DJ14.1]

Still don't understand the premise of all of this to be honest. If you undercut a ball once, there's nothing to adjust because there is no guarantee you're going to undercut the next one. However, if you develop a pattern of undercuts, then of course you can make an adjustment then. But making an adjustment from one miss.....I just can't get there.

 

[DJ14.1]

To paint an example of my thought, let's say you overcut a ball. Not let's say your next shot is very similar, and assume for this example you are DESTINED TO OVERCUT it playing your usual style.

If you instead make a conscious adjustment after the first miss, you've only magnified the error on the second shot. My point is that each shot is an independent event. How can you make any adjustments unless some sort of pattern of inaccuracy has been established?