CTE and BHE, a thought

[skipbales]

Very good. Thanks. I found Stan Shuffett's system. Now I see what these guys are talking about.

 

[DTL]

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[mohrt]

You say "CTEL perception" here. But wasn't Stan talking about the pre-pivot alignment of the cue stick? Didn't he say that, when one is down in full stance, the cue should point at the OB edge for 30° perceptions or "one tick" past the outside OB quarter for 15° perceptions?

In the video, Stan was using this to "tweak" the alignment after performing the normal CTE steps to get into pre-pivot position. But it leads me to ask whether it means one can essentially dismiss entirely with acquiring the visuals, determining the fixed CB, etc. Can one just go directly to the pre-pivot alignment by simply getting into the stance with the cue one-half tip inside or outside of the CB's center (depending on the cut needed) and pointing a tick beyond the OB quarter (for 15°-perception shots) or at the OB edge (for 30°-perception shots) -- then pivot and shoot.

I'll have to watch that video again.

The CTEL is a single line, but it is still a perception, not a 2d line. At full stance the perception crosses the ob edge for 30s and one tick outside ob quarter for 15s. Skipping the ball address visuals won't work, you have to be very close to see the correct perceptions to tweak. The tweak will be very minimal, usually unnoticeable.

 

[Straightpool_99]

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Hence, I think CTE users can adapt well to BHE, but they'll need to adjust their bridge length as required... perhaps post pivot to center, once they have established the aim line. This allows the different angle Spiderweb mentions.

With strict CTE there are bridge length requirements. These lengths are in no way related to your cues effective pivot point, thus bridgelength adjustments must necessarily be required for those who do not use Pro1 (in all cases where the cues pivot point is not equal to the required pivot point for BHE.) To me this seems like it would require a lot of work and awkwardness, but then again I'm not adept at this system.

 

[oldmanatc]

This is what I was saying earlier. With manual pivots i have to first pivot to the shot line thne adjust bridge length for any english i apply. This is unnecessary with Pro1 though.

With strict CTE there are bridge length requirements. These lengths are in no way related to your cues effective pivot point, thus bridgelength adjustments must necessarily be required for those who do not use Pro1 (in all cases where the cues pivot point is not equal to the required pivot point for BHE.) To me this seems like it would require a lot of work and awkwardness, but then again I'm not adept at this system.

 

[cookie man]

With strict CTE there are bridge length requirements. These lengths are in no way related to your cues effective pivot point, thus bridgelength adjustments must necessarily be required for those who do not use Pro1 (in all cases where the cues pivot point is not equal to the required pivot point for BHE.) To me this seems like it would require a lot of work and awkwardness, but then again I'm not adept at this system.

I use Pro one and never think about bridge length

 

[336Robin]

Visuals

I haven't read this entire thread but think applying FHE, BHE or Parallel Applied English one would have to have a focal point for arrival of the shot.

After you do the protocol in CTE, do you understand where on the object ball to hit? That would be the only way I can see adjustments that need to be made for the application of FHE or BHE working because you will end up shooting a good many shots perfecting your delivery of those methods.

 

[AtLarge]

The CTEL is a single line, but it is still a perception, not a 2d line. At full stance the perception crosses the ob edge for 30s and one tick outside ob quarter for 15s. Skipping the ball address visuals won't work, you have to be very close to see the correct perceptions to tweak. The tweak will be very minimal, usually unnoticeable.

I watched the video again today, but I don't think I fully understand yet. A few days ago I thought I remembered him talking about where the pre-pivot stick (i.e., the center of the stick) should point -- either at the OB edge for 30s or one tick beyond the OB quarter for 15s. I didn't hear that today. Instead, while in full stance with the stick 1/2 tip offset from center, he's tweaking the perception of the line from CB center (top of the CB) to one of those two points on the OB. It wasn't clear to me what was happening to the stick during that tweak but still prior to the pivot. Was it just an eye-position tweak with the stick not moving?

Maybe a third viewing will help.

 

[mohrt]

I watched the video again today, but I don't think I fully understand yet. A few days ago I thought I remembered him talking about where the pre-pivot stick (i.e., the center of the stick) should point -- either at the OB edge for 30s or one tick beyond the OB quarter for 15s. I didn't hear that today. Instead, while in full stance with the stick 1/2 tip offset from center, he's tweaking the perception of the line from CB center (top of the CB) to one of those two points on the OB. It wasn't clear to me what was happening to the stick during that tweak but still prior to the pivot. Was it just an eye-position tweak with the stick not moving?

Maybe a third viewing will help.

The tweak is adjusting your head/cue to a position where the CCB perception aligns on the OB perfectly. Your head stays with the cue. Your eyes are looking across CCB from the 1/2 tip offset, so slightly across the cue. Recall your cue is on a 1/2 tip offset from the fixed CCB. Think of rotating the CCB line slightly around the core of the CB, and staying 1/2 tip offset as you move. If you did the first movement in accurately, the tweak should be none to slight.

 

[AtLarge]

The tweak is adjusting your head/cue to a position where the CCB perception aligns on the OB perfectly. Your head stays with the cue. Your eyes are looking across CCB from the 1/2 tip offset, so slightly across the cue. Recall your cue is on a 1/2 tip offset from the fixed CCB. Think of rotating the CCB line slightly around the core of the CB, and staying 1/2 tip offset as you move. If you did the first movement in accurately, the tweak should be none to slight.

Thanks. I'll do some fiddling at the table.

 

[Colin Colenso]

With strict CTE there are bridge length requirements. These lengths are in no way related to your cues effective pivot point, thus bridgelength adjustments must necessarily be required for those who do not use Pro1 (in all cases where the cues pivot point is not equal to the required pivot point for BHE.) To me this seems like it would require a lot of work and awkwardness, but then again I'm not adept at this system.

Assuming some CTErs use a set bridge length, say 12 inches for example, it would help their cause to get a cue with a pure pivot point between say 11 and 12 inches, hence most shots would not need bridge adjustments.

 

[336Robin]

12 in bridge

Assuming some CTErs use a set bridge length, say 12 inches for example, it would help their cause to get a cue with a pure pivot point between say 11 and 12 inches, hence most shots would not need bridge adjustments.

That configuration I have found to be:

15 in Pro Taper, 12.80 mm maple shaft, with a plastic composition ferrule normal length.

I would imagine that using the small ferrule with or without it being ivory would not make much difference.