Is the Object Ball just a "Mirrored Reflection" of the Cue Ball

[Chrippa]

I've never seen a "contact point," and look at the balls as if they're flat (2 dimensional). This is why teaching is so interesting, all of us see things differently. I gave a record amount of lessons in the last week and ironically I learned some things I otherwise couldn't have learned. The key is to be able to explain the same techniques in many ways.....in communication, we must be responsible for our responses, and flexible enough to adjust them to fit the student's perception.

It's true that "to keep it, we must be willing to give it away"....and such is life 'The Game is the Teacher' .com

I agree, a god teacher strive to find more explenations explaining the same thing so every pupil can " see it" . Actually very fun imo. I like to find images, pictures etc to explain.

Chrippa

 

[CJ Wiley]

I work well with golfers, carpenters, scientists, dancers, and nuclear physicists.

I agree, a god teacher strive to find more explenations explaining the same thing so every pupil can " see it" . Actually very fun imo. I like to find images, pictures etc to explain.

Chrippa

Yes, analogies are useful and also being able to build a bridge from one discipline to another. I work well with golfers, carpenters, scientists, dancers, and nuclear physicists.

 

[CJ Wiley]

We align to the object ball, we aim at the cue ball.

Of course we aim at the object ball. Only time one would not would be from say a safety played. One would have to use a rail(s) to then hit object ball. If not aiming at object ball how would one pocket it?
I am a ghost ball aimer. KISS.

I align to the object ball, and aim at the cue ball - when they
"mirror" correctly, the angle is created to pocket the object ball.

The cue ball is the only thing we physically contact, so it needs to be the primary target.

It is important to line up the the object all in such a way that we can get down on the shot as it's already been pocketed. This is the "aiming system" I use......of course it's the TOI method that is the catalyst.

 

[Mikjary]

Yes, analogies are useful and also being able to build a bridge from one discipline to another. I work well with golfers, carpenters, scientists, dancers, and nuclear physicists.

Being a contractor, I usually get the physical connections you make to the game. If I stayed in school a little longer, I could have been a nuclear physicist, too. It's kind of like the work I do now. Just without the nuclear part.

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

pocket billiards is a paradox in many ways.....that's why it's easy

I agree, a god teacher strive to find more explenations explaining the same thing so every pupil can " see it" . Actually very fun imo. I like to find images, pictures etc to explain.

Chrippa

Yes, the challenge of playing at a high level is we see how the game is backwards....pocket billiards is a paradox in many ways. That's why it's easy to get things turned around when learning the "science" of the game.....it can be miss leading.

 

[Chrippa]

Yes, the challenge of playing at a high level is we see how the game is backwards....pocket billiards is a paradox in many ways. That's why it's easy to get things turned around when learning the "science" of the game.....it can be miss leading.

I agree. If you can see yourself doing it, - it´s done.
And if you see yourself doing a mistake- it´s done, what is a mistake?

To take hold of the miss.

Many interesting threads right now, thanks CJ ;-)!

Chrippa

 

[CJ Wiley]

more accurate when accelerating which is adding another positive habit

I agree. If you can see yourself doing it, - it´s done.
And if you see yourself doing a mistake- it´s done, what is a mistake?

To take hold of the miss.

Many interesting threads right now, thanks CJ ;-)!

Chrippa

Can't argue with that, glad to have your input.

Using any type of "Mirror System" will effectively put yourself in a situation that your accuracy will improve with acceleration. If a "straight ball" hitter relies on acceleration it will only amplify the range of their misses (left OR right).

Utilizing the "Touch of Inside" the scenario changes, you will be more accurate when accelerating which is adding another positive habit.

Your Game is a direct representation of how many positive habits you have "packaged"...then the game can be an even better teacher.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I look at ALL shots like they're "straight in" first before letting my mind focus

To do anything consistently requires some type of "system". I think players, especially in this Aiming Forum are mislead about what an aiming "system" really is and how it works. One thing you need before aiming even matters is a "system" for hitting the cue ball straight every time. If you're mishitting the cue ball there's no aiming system that could matter.

If you play well I'm sure you have some kind of pre shot routine to accomplish this with your feet, body angles, hand/cue alignment, etc. Then it's essential to see the cue ball and object ball connect in a way that creates the angle you are trying to "create" to make your next pool shot.

This can be done a variety of ways and you can call this a "system" or not, it's up to you. I can use several "aiming systems" if I choose to, however, the most important thing to me is to AIM WITH THE CUE BALL, instead of "AT" the object ball. Your distance from the cue ball you can control on a consistent basis, and this is impossible with the object ball.

Therefore, the specific "aiming" is easier done usine a specific part of the cue ball and a "relative" spot on the object ball. Whether you use the top, bottom or middle of the object ball I feel it's important to focus on the CENTER or EDGE (depending on how much "cut" you need) of the object ball to calculate your angle with.

I look at ALL shots like they're "straight in" first before letting my mind focus on what angle I need to "Create". When all is said and done pool is a creative game played with feel and touch, the eyes are used to establish the required information for each shot.

I've never heard a champion talk about winning a tournament or match because their "eyes were good that day." They will comment on how good their feel/touch was because that's the "difference that makes the difference." 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[GoldenFlash]

This sounds crazy but it really worked for me

When learning and studying CJ Wiley's TOI method of playing, I made it very tough on myself equipment wise. I figured that if I had a sorry pool stick and could make this work, when I switched to my Predator it would really be a smooth breeze. And it turned out exactly that way.
Here's what I did.
I went to Walmart and bought the cheapest, ugliest looking cue I could find.
I took it home, clamped it in a vise and with a hack saw, I sawed off the tip and the ferrule....yep the whole works.
Then I sanded the shaft and the tip area and using JB Weld, I just glued a new tip right on the wood at the business end of the stick. After it dried then it got the usual tapering job and it was ready to go.
I swear it didn't seem to matter at all. I had plenty of feel and I don't believe the cue ball had much swerve in it when loaded with side spin.
I used this goofy stick for months while studying TOI.
My hope was correct. When I picked up the Predator it was like holding some kind of "magic wand".
Just a posting about how silly it sounded, but it did work great.

 

[CJ Wiley]

."Surfer Rod" was the same way, he could even use a broomstick handle and run out

When learning and studying CJ Wiley's TOI method of playing, I made it very tough on myself equipment wise. I figured that if I had a sorry pool stick and could make this work, when I switched to my Predator it would really be a smooth breeze. And it turned out exactly that way.
Here's what I did.
I went to Walmart and bought the cheapest, ugliest looking cue I could find.
I took it home, clamped it in a vise and with a hack saw, I sawed off the tip and the ferrule....yep the whole works.
Then I sanded the shaft and the tip area and using JB Weld, I just glued a new tip right on the wood at the business end of the stick. After it dried then it got the usual tapering job and it was ready to go.
I swear it didn't seem to matter at all. I had plenty of feel and I don't believe the cue ball had much swerve in it when loaded with side spin.
I used this goofy stick for months while studying TOI.
My hope was correct. When I picked up the Predator it was like holding some kind of "magic wand".
Just a posting about how silly it sounded, but it did work great.

That sounds like a heck of a "Wallabushka".

"Omaha John" is the first one to demonstrate how to "float the cue-ball," which can only be done using TOI. He would play flawlessly on a bar table for days. David Matlock, Larry (The Ice Man) Hubbart, and Buddy Hall were the only ones that he hesitated playing even.

The most impressive thing I was he could use a house cue with a swelled ferrule, and a thin tip and still beat most "short-stops" in gambling matches...."Surfer Rod" was the same way, he could even use a broomstick handle and run out playing 8-Ball.

"Chicago Bugs" used to go to tournaments, borrow a cue and play one-pocket as well as anyone alive, so the cue is only as good as the cueist.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

When learning and studying CJ Wiley's TOI method of playing, I made it very tough on myself equipment wise. I figured that if I had a sorry pool stick and could make this work, when I switched to my Predator it would really be a smooth breeze. And it turned out exactly that way.
Here's what I did.
I went to Walmart and bought the cheapest, ugliest looking cue I could find.
I took it home, clamped it in a vise and with a hack saw, I sawed off the tip and the ferrule....yep the whole works.
Then I sanded the shaft and the tip area and using JB Weld, I just glued a new tip right on the wood at the business end of the stick. After it dried then it got the usual tapering job and it was ready to go.
I swear it didn't seem to matter at all. I had plenty of feel and I don't believe the cue ball had much swerve in it when loaded with side spin.
I used this goofy stick for months while studying TOI.
My hope was correct. When I picked up the Predator it was like holding some kind of "magic wand".
Just a posting about how silly it sounded, but it did work great.

By removing the ferrule you reduced its squirt so it was more like your Predator - i.e., you made it better, not worse. Some players (Bob Jewett, for example) prefer cues without ferrules.

pj
chgo

 

[336Robin]

Ive wondered

By removing the ferrule you reduced its squirt so it was more like your Predator - i.e., you made it better, not worse. Some players (Bob Jewett, for example) prefer cues without ferrules.

pj
chgo

When I first heard of people doing that I wondered about it, seems like you might could get the best of both worlds but it would mean having to have new shafts made. If the gains were significant that might be something to consider. Im used to playing with shafts that squirt in two categories 2 in at 7 diamonds and 3 in at 7 diamonds most LD's are around 1.5 in at 7 diamonds. I wonder where the ferrule less would fall in?

 

[CJ Wiley]

To reach the highest levels, it's not about adding knowledge

I agree. If you can see yourself doing it, - it´s done.
And if you see yourself doing a mistake- it´s done, what is a mistake?

To take hold of the miss.

Many interesting threads right now, thanks CJ ;-)!

Chrippa

The power of the mind is something that science has a limited understanding. It goes far beyond our level of comprehension and probably always will.

When we real eyes, that inside us is a source to all the knowledge of the universe, it seems pretty easy to play pool at a flawless level. As a matter of fact, there's no problem that comes up that we shouldn't be able to deal with in any area of our lives.

The problem becomes ourselves, and our desire to control the outcome.

To reach the highest levels, it's not about adding knowledge, it's about letting loose of our past ideas, emotions, beliefs, and attitudes.

This is much easier said than done, it usually takes a form of mediation that involves breathing as a focus.

 

[ENGLISH!]

When I first heard of people doing that I wondered about it, seems like you might could get the best of both worlds but it would mean having to have new shafts made. If the gains were significant that might be something to consider. Im used to playing with shafts that squirt in two categories 2 in at 7 diamonds and 3 in at 7 diamonds most LD's are around 1.5 in at 7 diamonds. I wonder where the ferrule less would fall in?

Robin,

When you categorize the squirt, how far off center are you cueing & what do you mean by 1.5 & 2?

I'm now playing with 2 OB Pro shafts with different tips so I have an interest.

Thanks,
Rick

 

[336Robin]

Robin,

When you categorize the squirt, how far off center are you cueing & what do you mean by 1.5 & 2?

I'm now playing with 2 OB Pro shafts with different tips so I have an interest.

Thanks,
Rick

Rick I saw your posts but am on my way out. I will holla at you later on via pm or post later. Its quite a lot of information I have for you. If you are around this evening I would rather tell you than type all of it. Pretty simple actually but you have to cover some ground to get there.

 

[CJ Wiley]

peers encouraged me to be either a nuclear physicist, or a concert pianist.

Being a contractor, I usually get the physical connections you make to the game. If I stayed in school a little longer, I could have been a nuclear physicist, too. It's kind of like the work I do now. Just without the nuclear part.

Best,
Mike

Yes, my peers encouraged me to be either a nuclear physicist, or a concert pianist.....I became a pool player. Maybe I wasted some piano lessons, however, I'm happy with the "ivories" I decided to tickle. :thumbup:

At least I met both exactly in the middle, a true compromise.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Not many people will ever play this game for a living, however............

I agree. If you can see yourself doing it, - it´s done.
And if you see yourself doing a mistake- it´s done, what is a mistake?

To take hold of the miss.

Many interesting threads right now, thanks CJ ;-)!

Chrippa

Yes, we humans project our "inner world" into the physical world like a hologram.

We will ultimately become what we practice, physically, mentally, and even emotionally. Pool is the ideal game to see these things happen and practice them in a way that can be applied to other aspects of our lives.

Not many people will ever play this game for a living, however, it can be a very valuable tool to become more effective and successful in our other personal, and business activities. 'the GAME is the teacher'

 

[SJDinPHX]

The power of the mind is something that science has a limited understanding. It goes far beyond our level of comprehension and probably always will.

When we real eyes, that inside us is a source to all the knowledge of the universe, it seems pretty easy to play pool at a flawless level. As a matter of fact, there's no problem that comes up that we shouldn't be able to deal with in any area of our lives.

The problem becomes ourselves, and our desire to control the outcome.

To reach the highest levels, it's not about adding knowledge, it's about letting loose of our past ideas, emotions, beliefs, and attitudes.

This is much easier said than done, it usually takes a form of mediation that involves breathing as a focus.<--I don't think 'mediation' is an actual word !..Did you mean "meditation" ?..It still makes no sense.

I'm sorry CJ, but I must ask if you actually believe most of the stuff you write, makes ANY sense at all ? ..I only wish there were some way, to get a simple show of hands, of how many people on this forum, are quite certain you are NOT playing with a full deck ! :sorry:

PS..Even your minions must be terribly confused, at what you are TRYING to express !

 

[liakos]

I'm sorry CJ, but I must ask if you actually believe most of the stuff you write, makes ANY sense at all ? ..I only wish there were some way, to get a simple show of hands, of how many people on this forum, are quite certain you are NOT playing with a full deck ! :sorry:

PS..Even your minions must be terribly confused, at what you are TRYING to express !

Actually what he wrote makes perfect sense to those who realize what is actually is going on at any given moment inside your own mind!

Obviously, there isn't much going inside yours!! And believe me when is say this, I envy you for that!! I truly wish I could shut down certain parts of my own brain at times!

This is in no way meant to belittle you SJD, I truly wish I had your ability to not see things!

 

[Colin Colenso]

I'm sorry CJ, but I must ask if you actually believe most of the stuff you write, makes ANY sense at all ? ..I only wish there were some way, to get a simple show of hands, of how many people on this forum, are quite certain you are NOT playing with a full deck ! :sorry:

PS..Even your minions must be terribly confused, at what you are TRYING to express !

My hand is up on the 'not a full deck of cards'. That some fall for all the specious metaphors he comes up with, is symbolic of general card lacking amongst humanity.

I've friends who are good players who could hardly begin to type the rationality of their means of going about pool. But none have the hubris to type out such lurid theories, and with such hubris as does Master Wiley E Coyote, CEO ACME products.