Inside VS Outside

HawaiianEye said:
Some people favor inside, some favor outside, some use both. From what I've noticed from playing people for years and years and watching on TV and stream, it seems that the majority of people are sort of "scared" of inside for some reason and are much more comfortable using outside.

I have been watching a lot of the streams lately and the announcers seem like they are "shocked" when somebody hits a ball good and uses inside...like it is something SPECIAL. They almost never say anything of the sort when people use outside.

Why is that?

I prefer to use inside if I can and have the choice, but I switch up depending upon the shot and if I have to change the angle to get back inside.

I haven't tried EVERY shot on the table, but I think there are some shots that you can make with inside that would be EXTREMELY hard or impossible with outside. I don't think there is a shot on the table that you can't make with inside, if the shot can even be made.

Some examples would be shots like below or any shot that is similar.

Would you shoot any of the shots below using outside? I'm talking to MAKE A BALL, not playing a safe or a bank. I can make all these balls (maybe not on the first shot) using inside, but I would hesitate to use outside, unless that was my only choice. I don't mean run the balls in the layout, I mean shooting any ball as it lies in the picture from where the cue ball is.
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Because inside english means you're on the wrong side of the ball.
Since good position play assumes the cb rolls naturally off the angle to the next shot, outside english is the natural spin off the ob. In fact Mike Sigel suggests a tad of outside on every shot so that the cb rolls off the ob without throwing it.

BARRING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, inside means you screwed up. Your example in the diagram is a special circumstance shot because inside gives you a rail-first hit which improves the chance of pocketing the ob
 
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LAlouie said:
Because inside english means you're on the wrong side of the ball.
Since good position play assumes the cb rolls naturally off the angle to the next shot, outside english is the natural spin off the ob. In fact Mike Sigel suggests a tad of outside on every shot so that the cb rolls off the ob without throwing it.

BARRING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, inside means you screwed up. Your example in the diagram is a special circumstance shot because inside gives you a rail-first hit which improves the chance of pocketing the ob
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LAlouie, this doesn't make any sense. Sometimes you have to put yourself in position to specifically use outside English to get shape on the next object ball especially in rotation games.
 
Banks said:
Rofl. Send Mary on up. If Cj can't beat a regional A, he'd have to fall off a lot more than i think.
If it's a pool shooting site, then why is the only thing you're shooting off is somebody else's game? Always figured you were full of it, too.
Little man.. sounds like somebody can't back up their mouth. Go wash cjs clothes.
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Please don't beat me up. I'll play nice.
 
philly said:
LAlouie, this doesn't make any sense. Sometimes you have to put yourself in position to specifically use outside English to get shape on the next object ball especially in rotation games.
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Explain yourself. I just got finished saying outside english is a "natural position" shot. Your example sounds like you're agreeing yet you're saying you disagree??
 
LAlouie said:
Explain yourself. I just got finished saying outside english is a "natural position" shot. Your example sounds like you're agreeing yet you're saying you disagree??
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Hah, my mistake, it does sound like I'm agreeing. I meant to say you put yourself in position to specifically use inside English.
 
I would bank everyone of those shots and call it a day. Why take a very hard thin cut shot with any spin? :)
 
Skippy27 said:
I would bank everyone of those shots and call it a day. Why take a very hard thin cut shot with any spin? :)
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I would take a hard thin cut over a bank 80% of the time depending on the angle of the bank. A shot straight in has a better percentage for me than adding the variable of a rail on a bank. A bank in my mind is never a gimme.
 
LAlouie said:
Because inside english means you're on the wrong side of the ball.
Since good position play assumes the cb rolls naturally off the angle to the next shot, outside english is the natural spin off the ob. In fact Mike Sigel suggests a tad of outside on every shot so that the cb rolls off the ob without throwing it.

BARRING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, inside means you screwed up. Your example in the diagram is a special circumstance shot because inside gives you a rail-first hit which improves the chance of pocketing the ob
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I'm not even going to explain why this is wrong. Inside english is natural and correct (in terms of percentages) a lot of the time. Everybody should know that.
 
philly said:
I would take a hard thin cut over a bank 80% of the time depending on the angle of the bank. A shot straight in has a better percentage for me than adding the variable of a rail on a bank. A bank in my mind is never a gimme.
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Even though I consider myself an above average banker, I do also believe in cut shots over banks a majority of the time. There are times though when a bank is the correct shot for the position/out or even to block the pocket if I miss (speed control is important obviously).
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I'm not even going to explain why this is wrong. Inside english is natural and correct (in terms of percentages) a lot of the time. Everybody should know that.
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Straightpool, you are right on. It doesn't matter, inside or outside, if it is the correct English to use at the time to get shape. If you hit the object ball correctly the English doesn't matter. You are obviously a feel player as I am.
 
Spimp13 said:
Even though I consider myself an above average banker, I do also believe in cut shots over banks a majority of the time. There are times though when a bank is the correct shot for the position/out or even to block the pocket if I miss (speed control is important obviously).
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Speed control is the most important and toughest thing you can do with a cue ball. Nine times out of ten when people talk about improving they are really talking about mastering their cue ball speed control.
 
philly said:
Speed control is the most important and toughest thing you can do with a cue ball. Nine times out of ten when people talk about improving they are really talking about mastering their cue ball speed control.
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It is a challenge for sure. I see a lot of people have problems due to position. They are taking tougher shots because they are not playing position very well on their next shot.

Understanding how the cue ball will react after contact + the speed control you are talking about are keys here. I try to have a range I want my cue ball to be for the next spot. The range can be fairly wide on some shots, other shots require a tighter range. You should always have a plan for the cue ball which also includes when you are shooting the 8 (to avoid scratching if you just shoot it without care).
 
Spimp13 said:
It is a challenge for sure. I see a lot of people have problems due to position. They are taking tougher shots because they are not playing position very well on their next shot.

Understanding how the cue ball will react after contact + the speed control you are talking about are keys here. I try to have a range I want my cue ball to be for the next spot. The range can be fairly wide on some shots, other shots require a tighter range. You should always have a plan for the cue ball which also includes when you are shooting the 8 (to avoid scratching if you just shoot it without care).
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I have been using the diamonds lately as a directional in that I want the cue ball to angle in a path towards a specific diamond. It's amazing how well this works as far as speed goes, at least for me anyway.
 
philly said:
Hah, my mistake, it does sound like I'm agreeing. I meant to say you put yourself in position to specifically use inside English.
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Well, yes but that is why I said special circumstances, like the op's diagram etc etc. Most of your position play should be with running english - it is the natural way. I will go as far as to say the intentional inside is only for very specific circumstances, as in there would be no other option to complete the rack.

I'd also say the inside is used in 14.1 more than 9ball as there are a myriad of ways to run a rack specific to the shooter's personality, and the need to negotiate through more traffic. The clever 14.1 player massages the table and essentially creates his own layout, so his positioning skills like english and speed, and the ratio between the two, have to be more complex.
 
LAlouie said:
Well, yes but that is why I said special circumstances, like the op's diagram etc etc. Most of your position play should be with running english - it is the natural way. I will go as far as to say the intentional inside is only for very specific circumstances, as in there would be no other option to complete the rack.

I'd also say the inside is used in 14.1 more than 9ball as there are a myriad of ways to run a rack specific to the shooter's personality, and the need to negotiate through more traffic. The clever 14.1 player massages the table and essentially creates his own layout, so his positioning skills like english and speed, and the ratio between the two, have to be more complex.
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Natural or unnatural I use the English that will get me to where I want to go. I have no preference as I am just as comfortable using inside or outside with any shot. I think it is a bad habit to favor a specific English and play to that English. I take what the table gives me and hopefully keep positive thoughts going.
 
philly said:
Natural or unnatural I use the English that will get me to where I want to go. I have no preference as I am just as comfortable using inside or outside with any shot. I think it is a bad habit to favor a specific English and play to that English. I take what the table gives me and hopefully keep positive thoughts going.
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Well, in a sense you're saying "whatever it takes". That's all I'm saying, but I'm saying that inside is not the natural roll.
 
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Banks said:
Then go do it, mr. mastershot. Or you could simply back up the things you've already said. (Posting a clip of twenty hours edited together doesn't count, in case you wanted to try that one again.)

Where are your northwest toi students? Suddenly they can't back up your claims?
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My gambling record stands on it's own feet, whether you believe it or not makes
no difference whatsoever. LoL - you do know you're an anonymous poster don't you?

I'll play anyone in the United States 20 straight hours, and enjoy it once a week.

This is actually a fun thing to do, and I can finally get back in "LIVE stroke". :thumbup:

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