Cte

Patrick Johnson said:
I mentioned to someone asking about CTE that there are also other systems similar to CTE. How is that an "ambush"? The ambush is all this knee jerk hypersensitivity. The CTE Anti Defamation League should give it a rest.

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Namecalling. Pulling out all the stops again to derail a cte thread. So typical.
 
JoeyInCali;523455 If someone came in asking about fractional aiming system in the same manner said:
This is true in a perfect world but not on az. CTE'rs go into most threads not about CTE and make it about CTE. That seems to be why the aiming forum has died. Nobody posts about anything of substance anymore. I guess without the arguing there really isn't much to talk about.

To OP. CTE works well for lots of people. I have a bad habit which I feel like prevents CTE from working for me on some shots. The most important part of the system is to learn how to sweep and then come straight down to center cue ball. My bad habit is I sway from left to right on shots in general when bending over to address the cue ball. This means I am not arriving at the correct spot on the cue ball compared to the visuals obtained if that makes sense.
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I used CTE, Pro One and have been using it for a year now. My right visual sweeps are better than my left visual sweeps so I scale it like a ladder.

So left cuts generally use a right visual sweep (I think, I get it mixed up some time, the one that thins it).

Left Cut- 15- Right visual sweep thins
30, 45, 60 etc.

Then for Right cuts.
A 60 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a 45
a 45 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a 30
a 30 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a thinned 15.
a 15 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a straight-in thickened 15.

now if you line up right edge to right edge on a right cut, and thicken right visual sweep, it flips around and becomes a left cut thick 15.

this leaves only the right cut 60 degree thin, that I have to use a manual pivot left pivot to thin.

But other than that, you can accomplish 15 of the 16 combinations with one sweep.
 
If you're getting into cte, I think a good way is to nail to tennis balls to a piece of wood about a foot or two apart, and start trying to acquire the visuals in your spare time.

I know when I first started out, it took a while to understand the difference between lining up the correct points, versus drawing imaginary lines in my head.

Lining up the points (ex Center to Edge, Edge to A) is not a mental exercise, but serves to put your head in the right position. I know you can visualize imaginary connecting lines from anywhere, but until you move your head around and physically learn to line up those points at the same time, it will be frustrating.

I started from always crouching down directly behind the cueball, and looking around it till the appropriate portion of the object ball peaked around the corner, and i was staring directly through the cueball at where the edge of the object ball would be.

It takes a bit of tweaking at first, cause if you get one without the other, as soon as you adjust the other one, you have made a slight change to the first. In this way there is only one position your head can be in to see both.

So yeah, grab some tennis balls, mark the half points and 1/3 and 1/2 ball markers, cause that will require a bit of learning too.

Crouching behind the cue ball is only a temporary thing, and I know I was worried cause for the longest time, I could only line up the perceptions while crouched, and it was killing my back. But eventually you can transition to getting the perceptions while standing.

Also make sure your stroke is in working order, cause if it's not, you'll miss so many shots that you'll attribute to poor aim. It's nice to make sure there aren't too many variables. I recently started using the Shock Doctor Model 824, and am ordering the Pro Shot Glove. I don't use it all the time, but it's an ease on my mind when I'm practicing my aim, to know that my stroke isn't adding in any unknowns.
 
If the OP really wants to learn about CTE, he should establish direct communication (phone, email, text, IM, in person) with Stan or RandyG or anyone who teaches it.

It has been proven that no civil discussion on the topic can occur on this forum.

This comes from someone who can barely spell CTE. I have no knowledge of it beyond what I've read here. I simply have watched what happens here on the forums long enough to know the deal.....
 
tonythetiger583 said:
I used CTE, Pro One and have been using it for a year now. My right visual sweeps are better than my left visual sweeps so I scale it like a ladder.

So left cuts generally use a right visual sweep (I think, I get it mixed up some time, the one that thins it).

Left Cut- 15- Right visual sweep thins
30, 45, 60 etc.

Then for Right cuts.
A 60 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a 45
a 45 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a 30
a 30 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a thinned 15.
a 15 thickened with a right visual sweep becomes a straight-in thickened 15.

now if you line up right edge to right edge on a right cut, and thicken right visual sweep, it flips around and becomes a left cut thick 15.

this leaves only the right cut 60 degree thin, that I have to use a manual pivot left pivot to thin.

But other than that, you can accomplish 15 of the 16 combinations with one sweep.
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I am a big fan of CTE. I used to think what you have described is true but have since been corrected by Stan. It is true that a 15* perception thinned is the same as a 30* perception thickened. This is not true for the 45 and 60. Thickening a 60 is not the same shot line as thinning a 45. When you understand this, you'll pocket many more balls and have more success w/ banks and 2 and 3 railers.
 
hboat333 said:
I am a big fan of CTE. I used to think what you have described is true but have since been corrected by Stan. It is true that a 15* perception thinned is the same as a 30* perception thickened. This is not true for the 45 and 60. Thickening a 60 is not the same shot line as thinning a 45. When you understand this, you'll pocket many more balls and have more success w/ banks and 2 and 3 railers.
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I'm curious to know why that is and if the statement that it isn't the same still holds true after discovering that the two "one line" perceptions are actually two line perceptions. I could understand it being the case when there was only one line to go off of, but now with two lines I could see it being different.

I will focus on this on the table tonight.
 
I decided to try CTE a few months ago. I found that it gives you a good pre shot routine and will put you on the shot line. I actually was surprised at how good it works. Guess I should admit though that I probably wasn't doing it correctly since I never bought the DVD. Just watched the free videos and picked up a few tips here and on youtube. One of the things that helped me a lot was once you get your visual, if it's a left cut, step into the shot with your left foot first. Right cut, right foot. YMMV
 
tonythetiger583 said:
I'm curious to know why that is and if the statement that it isn't the same still holds true after discovering that the two "one line" perceptions are actually two line perceptions. I could understand it being the case when there was only one line to go off of, but now with two lines I could see it being different.

I will focus on this on the table tonight.
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Tony-

You raise an important point. Stan's fairly recent YouTube video using, can I even say it..., a 'ghost ball' to establish the 2nd line, is important information. But back to my original comment, I can't explain it, but here's a link to the thread where Stan corrects my former thinking that a 60 thickened was the same as a 45 thinned. It starts about 1/2 way down the page.

Too bad Stan isn't around anymore...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=389293
 
Player:
Where did you learn about stepping in with either the left or right foot? I have never seen that in the DVDs or on any posts.
 
TomInFaribo said:
Player:
Where did you learn about stepping in with either the left or right foot? I have never seen that in the DVDs or on any posts.
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I really don't remember to tell the truth. I was looking at everything I could find there for a while. Was going to get the DVD but couldn't figure out how to order it from Stan's site. But I read somewhere where somebody did that and it did seem to help me. Don't know why...
 
I have been playing around with CTE for a little while. Cant seem to get the perceptions.
He is what I did find out.

On long, almost straight in shots. I line the cue ball and object ball up center to center. Then, using a manual pivot, I pivot the cue so it is pointing at the aim point on object ball. With the correct speed, which I have pretty much figured out, the ball goes automatically. Almost like you can't miss it.

Am I getting CTE a little bit or am I just using back hand english.
 
buckshotshoey said:
I have been playing around with CTE for a little while. Cant seem to get the perceptions.
He is what I did find out.

On long, almost straight in shots. I line the cue ball and object ball up center to center. Then, using a manual pivot, I pivot the cue so it is pointing at the aim point on object ball. With the correct speed, which I have pretty much figured out, the ball goes automatically. Almost like you can't miss it.

Am I getting CTE a little bit or am I just using back hand english.
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No that isn't using CTE perceptions, but if it works for you then do it that way. I find it even easier to find the correct perceptions on these type of shots
 
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