U.S. open 10 ball

Barbox tables looks like you could just pick it up at the top of your arms and throw it in the wind.
 
I bought the stream yesterday and I was surprised at how many times players didn't get out when I thought they would.. Hatch vs Bergman, Roberts vs frost, SVB vs Sossei and hell even the Lion Alex P. all had some difficulty with the tables. There was a lot of drama in the matches above, but I really do wish this had been on a 9fter. All in all the stream quality and matches were entertaining and I'm glad I watched.
 
Yeah its much more fun to watch pros play safes instead of going for tough shots. Think 7ft opens up the offense some more. Might see them try some banks instead of playing safe safe safe.

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So...what is the 'big picture' conclusion to all of this? The eventually death to 9 footers?

Possibly with this tournament. It's a matter of logistics. It's a large amateur league event featuring some pro events. I don't think hard core pool players will ever give up the 9 footer, although for owning a table, 7 footers make more sense in most homes and provide a lot of fun at parties.

It's too bad they couldn't figure out a way to effectively run both events simultaneously using 7 and 9 footers. I really enjoyed the past US Open 10 ball tournaments - it was some of the most exciting pool for viewers to watch with world-class fields.
 
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So...what is the 'big picture' conclusion to all of this? The eventually death to 9 footers?

1) Boom in sales of 7ft tables?
2) Less US players who can hang with rest of world on 9ft majors and World Championship events
3) Gap and some demand for 9ft pro events but no promoter will touch with 9ft pole as it is not financially viable. Unless big boy like Matchroom come in and do a tour with chain of events but no TV telecast/rights will probably kill it
4) Bar players have to fight with pros for table time
5) Barrry B. is suddenly indispensable and new Messiah of US pool. All is forgiven and he does his song and dance :grin:
 
I'm all for some bar box tunrneys , it throws the barbox guys a bone , but to coin it a U.S. open takes away from what a U.S. open is supposed to be , that's the strongest field in the hardestest conditions , a far cry of what we have here

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Well put! I like watching it all though. But u are spot on.
 
Nice to hear from at least one or two folks who don't hate bar boxes. Personally, I enjoy playing on any size decent table.

Most of the haters probably are unaware that a number of Hall of Famers played a lot of bar box pool and even promoted them as a way to get more folks to play.

A certain Mosconi guy even promoted the BBs in the 1960s...

I don't mind bar box pool as a minor event but not one being named the U.S. Open with out the bar box tag ,, every winner should have a astrick beside thier name so down the road people will know the difference ,

I would think the viewership has fallen off just as the participation has

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I've enjoyed watching it! I live in Las Vegas, so I've just walked in and watched it for free!

Good times!
 
Nice to hear from at least one or two folks who don't hate bar boxes. Personally, I enjoy playing on any size decent table.

Most of the haters probably are unaware that a number of Hall of Famers played a lot of bar box pool and even promoted them as a way to get more folks to play.

A certain Mosconi guy even promoted the BBs in the 1960s...

Of course they did I remember playing you at the old BnE tavern in a small Turney there I got locked up on the post in the middle of the floor hill hill had to jack up for a shot in the side and I missed it ,, :-)
i used to play Tom Tom on a bar box in silver spring and Geese would play out at Deitles in Rockville ,,
Nick Varner would show up in some of the bar boxes in beltsville , other great local player ,Scotty Boogs , Bobby Hawk , Danny Green also would pop into those places
Most people know bar boxes are a big part of the game , however they don't look at it as
as the ultimate test of pool as a U.S. Open should be considered
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I bought the stream yesterday and I was surprised at how many times players didn't get out when I thought they would.. ...

Yup.

For the 12 10-Ball matches played so far on the main streaming table, the player at the table after the break has run out from there about 36% of the time.
 
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Yup.

For the 12 10-Ball matches played so far on the main streaming table, the player at the table after the break has run out from there about 36% of the time.

It is so funny how the haters of 7 footers perception of the pro running out is never even remotely close to the reality. Maybe they should watch the shots, the cue ball, etc. and learn something.

Thank you for your post.
 
This does nothing but further erode the quality of American pool. While the rest of the world practices and plays on 9ft tables and learns their trade the hard way we want it easier so we go to bar tables and reduce the few world class professional players that we still have to amateurs. PRO POOL IN AMERICA IS DEAD. THIS PROVES IT.
 
This does nothing but further erode the quality of American pool. While the rest of the world practices and plays on 9ft tables and learns their trade the hard way we want it easier so we go to bar tables and reduce the few world class professional players that we still have to amateurs. PRO POOL IN AMERICA IS DEAD. THIS PROVES IT.


Any facts to back up your opinion?

Don't look at the instruction and the coaches available to to the Europeans and Asians. Don't look at the ability of all the young kids in the Philippines that don't have the money to play video games so the play pool which is readily available. Don't look at the Asian schools who have pool tables in classrooms to learn Geometry and other math skills.

Just blame it on the table.

English black ball pool tables
6x3 or 3 1/2 x 7
Couple of good players come to mind
Darren Appleton.
Jayson Shaw
Chris Melling
I think Garreth Potts played many years of English 8 ball

Could it be the training not the equipment?




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Of course they did I remember playing you at the old BnE tavern in a small Turney there I got locked up on the post in the middle of the floor hill hill had to jack up for a shot in the side and I missed it ,, :-)
i used to play Tom Tom on a bar box in silver spring and Geese would play out at Deitles in Rockville ,,
Nick Varner would show up in some of the bar boxes in beltsville , other great local player ,Scotty Boogs , Bobby Hawk , Danny Green also would pop into those places
Most people know bar boxes are a big part of the game , however they don't look at it as
as the ultimate test of pool as a U.S. Open should be considered
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Don't forget Quick Vick, Geese, Larry Culver, Fat Mike, and Tom-Tom. ;)
 
Everyone can say what they want about 7' tables not being real tables, being easier, not real pool, etc... However, the fact of the matter is that it's just a difficult/easy as a 9' table. It just takes a different set of skills. Sure, on a "barbox" it's easier to pocket balls because the shots are generally shorter. But on the flip side, it's much more difficult to navigate the table without the room that a 9' provides. So, in my OPINION, either is a true test of skill when pitted against the best players in the game. And for the record, I'm not a proponent of barboxes over 9 footers, I can just understand the difficulties and nuances associated with each table. As for everyone comparing it to golf... (Full course vs miniature golf)... It's more like a wide open links type course measuring in at over 7500 yards vs a stadium type course measuring in at under 7000 yards. Just as difficult, but for different reasons.
 
When I look at the names still alive in the tournament, the 7 footer seems to be making somewhat of a difference in the results too. The champions are always going to rise to the top, but some of the contenders you wouldn't expect to see succeed on a 9 footer have made it further than usual.
 
English black ball pool tables
6x3 or 3 1/2 x 7
Couple of good players come to mind
Darren Appleton.
Jayson Shaw
Chris Melling
I think Garreth Potts played many years of English 8 ball

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about as that is bad analogy. English blackball tables are small and the balls are also smaller so they have to cover a lot more green compared to American pool 7ft table where the balls are bigger.
 
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