ferrule replacement gone wrong

[galipeau]

These particular ferrules are an attempt to get the sight somewhat on a perpendicular plane to the shooters line of sight, is, what creates the form. The acrylic is solid chunks of material, so there isn’t any limitation on how or what shape it is turned too. However, when working with this material, when turning, caution needs to be used, side stencil strength has its limits.

...on the second ? Doing the joint work is not an issue, getting the similar wood grain and natural color is a hill, then getting sheen/finish match starts another issue.

Tensile strength.

 

[Dan_B]

tensile strength.

..............ok!

 

[iusedtoberich]

Wow sorry this happened.

I don't think ferrule replacement is trivial at all. It takes a fair amount of knowledge and skill to match the shaft well (without removing a ton of shaft wood)

From my eyes, it looks like the cutting tool was not sharp enough. That's why the ferrule looks curved (unless an optical illusion), and the wood necks down after the ferrule.

The lathe operator probably had the tool dig into the wood after the ferrule, because the dull tool was rubbing on the ferrule instead of cutting it, and he kept increasing the cutting depth to cut the ferrule because he did not understand the root cause. A curved ferrule is a tell tale sign of this.

A sharp tool makes a WORLD of difference. I would sharpen my tool on every ferrule replacement. And even touch it up with a hone once I got to about the last .005 diameter to remove.

 

[ElCorazonFrio]

Wow sorry this happened.

I don't think ferrule replacement is trivial at all. It takes a fair amount of knowledge and skill to match the shaft well (without removing a ton of shaft wood)

From my eyes, it looks like the cutting tool was not sharp enough. That's why the ferrule looks curved (unless an optical illusion), and the wood necks down after the ferrule.

The lathe operator probably had the tool dig into the wood after the ferrule, because the dull tool was rubbing on the ferrule instead of cutting it, and he kept increasing the cutting depth to cut the ferrule because he did not understand the root cause. A curved ferrule is a tell tale sign of this.

A sharp tool makes a WORLD of difference. I would sharpen my tool on every ferrule replacement. And even touch it up with a hone once I got to about the last .005 diameter to remove.

No, it is much more likely that the guy was using a file or sandpaper to match the diameters and burned down away from his center. There are lines in the photo indicating sandpaper or a loaded file.

The guy was simply inept.

 

[jb1911]

You guys are still acting as if this is a real thing and not a joke.

 

[Baxter]

I had a similar thing happen to me. I took a bunch of shafts in to be retipped. Maybe 7-8. When I picked them up, the guy who did the work was all proud because he had installed a ferrule on the shaft that had no ferrule and wasn't going to charge me for it. The owner was standing right there and probably saw the look on my face because there was no charge for any of the work. The shaft was a Balabushka and it had no ferrule for a reason.

Holy crap! If that happened to me, I might be in jail right now.

 

[ScottK]

It was absolutely done on a lathe. Anyone with any turning experience could tell you that in a moment.

No, it is much more likely that the guy was using a file or sandpaper to match the diameters and burned down away from his center. There are lines in the photo indicating sandpaper or a loaded file.

The guy was simply inept.

So which is it? It was damaged by the cutting tool on a lathe, or it was filed/sanded?

Of course it was spinning on a lathe or a shaft spinner. It looks to me like a horrible sandpaper "accident."

 

[poolguy4u]

So which is it? It was damaged by the cutting tool on a lathe, or it was filed/sanded?

Of course it was spinning on a lathe or a shaft spinner. It looks to me like a horrible sandpaper "accident."

:shocked2:


100 grit sandpaper. This was not from being turned down by a tool.

 

[Dan_B]

You guys are still acting as if this is a real thing and not a joke.

Oh,
Do you mean, like, in photo chopped, or a cue maker mess’n with big foot kind of thing?
Either way, you being late was helpful.

 

[ElCorazonFrio]

So which is it? It was damaged by the cutting tool on a lathe, or it was filed/sanded?

Of course it was spinning on a lathe or a shaft spinner. It looks to me like a horrible sandpaper "accident."

I never said in the first that a lathe tool was used.

It was in a lathe (hence a lathe being used) and either sandpaper or file was held against the shaft being spun by the lathe.

You do understand what a lathe is, correct?

 

[Black-Balled]

Wouldn't the clean line arount the area where the sin ends indicate the shaft was spinning as it was murdered?

Seems far too exact to have been a hand job.

 

[GoldCrown]

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[RiverCity]

.....Seems far too exact to have been a hand job.

You havent met the right women yet then..........

 

[ScottK]

I never said in the first that a lathe tool was used.

It was in a lathe (hence a lathe being used) and either sandpaper or file was held against the shaft being spun by the lathe.

You do understand what a lathe is, correct?

LOL, of course I do. For reference, here is the quote to which I was responding:

Installing a ferrule us somple. I've done 3 and they are all good as new. You just take small passes.....dude set the lathe to kill. He's a freaking butcher.

2strong4u said the lathe was "set to kill" and since he mentions taking small passes I think it's a safe assumption he's talking about the cutting tool in the lathe. I didn't intend for my comment to imply the shaft wasn't in a lathe (or at least a shaft spinner), I meant the hack job wasn't done with the cutting tool, it looks to me like it was done with sandpaper.

Admittedly, I could have been clearer, but we're in agreement except for one thing. You were far too kind when you called him inept. He certainly is, but it seems there should be a much harsher term to describe what he did here.

 

[ScottK]

Disregard...

 

[ElCorazonFrio]

LOL, of course I do. For reference, here is the quote to which I was responding:



2strong4u said the lathe was "set to kill" and since he mentions taking small passes I think it's a safe assumption he's talking about the cutting tool in the lathe. I didn't intend for my comment to imply the shaft wasn't in a lathe (or at least a shaft spinner), I meant the hack job wasn't done with the cutting tool, it looks to me like it was done with sandpaper.

Admittedly, I could have been clearer, but we're in agreement except for one thing. You were far too kind when you called him inept. He certainly is, but it seems there should be a much harsher term to describe what he did here.

Sorry, my bad.

In my book, inept is a pretty bad word.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Remember that pool cues used to be 57" and a lot of great players set world records with 57" pool cues. There's nothing wrong with winding up with a cue in that length.......and salvage the shaft at the same time and in turn, your cue.

Matt B.

 

[cesarmorales]

One option is to just walk away and find somewhere else to get cue work done.

A second is to sit down with the owner of the shop and the guy who did the "work" and figure out what should be done. Most of that is up to the owner of the shop. I'd let him decide and depending on what that was I might go back to option 1.

You might want to keep the shaft to show to people. Or take it down in length and learn how to play 3-cushion.

I had a similar thing happen to me. I took a bunch of shafts in to be retipped. Maybe 7-8. When I picked them up, the guy who did the work was all proud because he had installed a ferrule on the shaft that had no ferrule and wasn't going to charge me for it. The owner was standing right there and probably saw the look on my face because there was no charge for any of the work. The shaft was a Balabushka and it had no ferrule for a reason.

Thank you for a great reply!