Would you buy a cue if it had this much roll out in the shaft?

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justinb386

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I would like some opinions on if you would buy a cue that had a very slight roll out in the butt (at the very end of the joint) that made the shaft (which is straight by the way) roll out this much?

Please view my 3 pictures below to see the roll out in the shaft (including the very slight roll out in the tip)?

How upset would a roll out like this make you if you did not know about it before receiving the cue (and lets say for example, it is a $150 transaction)?

How much would this issue hurt the value of a used $200 pool cue?

By the way, please do not get the idea that I plan on trying to sell a cue and hide this info about the cue to a buyer, because I would never do that.

Thanks for your opinions about this.
 

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Pictures do no good. Tapers, mushroomed tips, or improper care could cause what those pictures show. Video of the shaft rolling/spinning is best.
 
$200 cue, not a huge deal. Youtube search cue shaft straightening. The first video that should pop up will demonstrate a tool you could purchase to fix it. Of course if you have a nice combination master lock, you can do the same thing for free. Use the rough side of a q wiz when you are done and viola.
 
Chuck Fields said:
$200 cue, not a huge deal. Youtube search cue shaft straightening. The first video that should pop up will demonstrate a tool you could purchase to fix it. Of course if you have a nice combination master lock, you can do the same thing for free. Use the rough side of a q wiz when you are done and viola.
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The shaft by itself rolls straight (no roll out in the tip) with very little taper roll out, but the real issue is a very slight roll out in the butt of the cue up near the joint (or possibly the pin might be a little warped).
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Pictures do no good. Tapers, mushroomed tips, or improper care could cause what those pictures show. Video of the shaft rolling/spinning is best.
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It looks pretty bad when rolling the cue back and forth at a fast pace. Very noticeable hop when rolling the cue fast, but my pictures show the warp at its fullest (highest height). I need to get a new camera, because there is an issue with taking videos with it. Thanks for your reply.
 
It's probably just a facing issue. The shaft and/or the butt need refaced. Quick simple fix for any competent cuemaker. I don't think it would really affect the value much of a $200 cue. $20 hit maybe.

Kelly
 
justinb386 said:
The shaft by itself rolls straight (no roll out in the tip) with very little taper roll out, but the real issue is a very slight roll out in the butt of the cue up near the joint (or possibly the pin might be a little warped).
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I would not buy it if the butt doesn't roll straight.
 
ceebee said:
what kind of cue butt goes with that shaft..?
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It is an original Predator BK1. Here is a 4th picture of it and you can see just a very slight bit of light coming from under the joint of the cue. So this is not a facing issue, right? It is just a warped butt.
 

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From the look of the pictures, it looks like the shaft to me. But as noted above, pictures arent the best way to look at a 'roll'.
 
Chuck Fields said:
From the look of the pictures, it looks like the shaft to me. But as noted above, pictures arent the best way to look at a 'roll'.
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The shaft rolls just fine by itself (other then a little taper roll, which is pretty normal for most cues), so I do not see how it could be the shaft. I could sell the shaft by itself as a straight shaft. It rolls almost perfect, with no roll out in the tip (shaft rolls even better then the roll of the shaft in that video that a person posted). Very bad noticeable roll out when rolled together with the butt though.
 
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Here is how to check it......

Roll the butt by itself, then the shaft by itself. Screw the two pieces together and see how it rolls. partially unscrew the shaft from the butt and leave the pin partially in the shaft, say about 1/4 of the pin. See how the cue rolls in each instance and you should be able to determine what is the issue.

You stated that the shaft rolls ok alone. How about the butt/joint area? if all is straight apart. that leaves the pin or facing of the joint surfaces. You can sometimes get dirt or build up that will cause the wobble when the cue is together. I see this with flat faced joints mostly. You can have the joint surfaces faced off to regain that flat surface and the cue should roll straight.

Now, if the pin is bent, you should be able to see this while rolling the cue when the shaft and butt are only partially screwed together. The goal is to unscrew the shaft from the pin far enough apart where the butt and shaft are relatively laying flat on the table but still attached to each other.
 
If you didn't tell me, yes. I never roll my cues. As a matter of fact I cringe when I see other ppl roll cues. It's a superstition thing with me.

I think the cue in my hands is perfectly straight in every way and it's bad luck to know otherwise. If I grab a cue off the wall I use the one with a decent taper, smooth and with a good tip, but I never roll it
 
SC02GTP said:
Here is how to check it......

Roll the butt by itself, then the shaft by itself. Screw the two pieces together and see how it rolls. partially unscrew the shaft from the butt and leave the pin partially in the shaft, say about 1/4 of the pin. See how the cue rolls in each instance and you should be able to determine what is the issue.

You stated that the shaft rolls ok alone. How about the butt/joint area? if all is straight apart. that leaves the pin or facing of the joint surfaces. You can sometimes get dirt or build up that will cause the wobble when the cue is together. I see this with flat faced joints mostly. You can have the joint surfaces faced off to regain that flat surface and the cue should roll straight.

Now, if the pin is bent, you should be able to see this while rolling the cue when the shaft and butt are only partially screwed together. The goal is to unscrew the shaft from the pin far enough apart where the butt and shaft are relatively laying flat on the table but still attached to each other.
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Thank you very much for your advice. There is a noticeable roll out (way up near the joint) when the butt is rolled by itself, but you really need to get way down on the cue and look very closely for light under the joint when it is rolled. You would not see the roll out if not getting your head down very level with the table when rolling the cue butt. The cue has a uni lock joint. I think it is just a warped butt. Very strange though, because the butt is almost in near mint condition. Looks like it was very well taken care of. Just 1 extremely small dot sized ding in the forearm (maybe a hair bigger then the end of a sharpened pencil). Beautiful looking cue in my opinion. Could almost pass for new I think. The seemingly warped butt really bothers me though, and thought that might really hurt the value of the cue (which seems to possibly not be in high demand with all of the other break cues on the market).
 
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gunzby said:
If you didn't tell me, yes. I never roll my cues. As a matter of fact I cringe when I see other ppl roll cues. It's a superstition thing with me.

I think the cue in my hands is perfectly straight in every way and it's bad luck to know otherwise. If I grab a cue off the wall I use the one with a decent taper, smooth and with a good tip, but I never roll it
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That is just a mental issue. If knowing that your cue is not straight makes you think that it could hurt your ball making ability, then I completely understand why you would never want to roll your cue (especially a house cue). The way I see it, the straightness of a cue does not affect my game (I am a mid range B player by the way, and an A on good days), and the only reason that I ever roll cues is after I receive them on a sale or trade deal (to make sure that they are received as advertised, for the purpose of the value of the cue), or before I sell a cue (so that I can advertise it correctly). I have played just fine with some of the most warped house cues that you can imagine in the past. I have played just fine with cues that had badly warped butts, and no affect on my game. It is just a mental issue. You aim through the tip, and the rest of the cue does not matter all that much (in my opinion). This is coming from a guy that has been playing for 20 years.
 
I am very picky about how cues roll but am mainly concerned if the tip comes off the table when rolled. I end up selling most of the cues i buy so it is partly for playability but mostly because it will be easier to sell down the road. I wouldnt even buy that cue if someone was trying to sell it to me no matter the discount.
 
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