Give me a good reason to want it to.Show me one good pro level breaker whos cueball not jumping after break?
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Give me a good reason to want it to.Show me one good pro level breaker whos cueball not jumping after break?
I guess I'm just lucky not to get much unwanted spin or bad kicks. To me these risks are marginal.If there is absolutely no vertical hop after impact, then the effects of any unintended spin on the CB get maximized.
Again, I think the tradeoff is a good one.
Give me a good reason to want it to.
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Shane's without the hop.Would you rather have your break or SVB's break?
Probably not - that's probably why they have the hop. And that isn't the right question - the right question (the one asked by the OP) is should I want to eliminate it?Do you think that if you woke up tomorrow and had their breaks you would be able to improve upon them by eliminating the hop?
Assuming it's intentional because it happens to a good player is illogical. In that corner we have you.Your hangup on needing proof is illogical. In one corner we have two guys who have dedicated their lives and have the ability to play world class pool. In the other corner we have you.
I've considered the supposed benefits; I just don't see any hard evidence for them. The only indisputable fact we have is loss of power - the rest is all speculative.Your refusal to even consider that there is something to it...whether it is a necessary byproduct or a desired effect is close-minded.
That doesn't sound possible to me. Can you link a video?...on Ko Pin Yi's break, the cue ball jumps and lands past the side pockets
I used to get the CB to land past the center line quite often when practicing my power break for 8 ball.That doesn't sound possible to me. Can you link a video?
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That's pretty convincing. Thanks, Colin.I used to get the CB to land past the center line quite often when practicing my power break for 8 ball.
Though this video is a little blurry, the CB appears to be landing in this zone on my 2nd and 3rd breaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW1tsONEI_U
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Shane's without the hop.
Probably not - that's probably why they have the hop. And that isn't the right question - the right question (the one asked by the OP) is should I want to eliminate it?
Assuming it's intentional because it happens to a good player is illogical. In that corner we have you.
I've considered the supposed benefits; I just don't see any hard evidence for them. The only indisputable fact we have is loss of power - the rest is all speculative.
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All good breaks that have good speed and a square hit on the 1 ball result in the CB hopping. This isn't just a Shane thing.I've said that the hop is likely a byproduct. Shane's break without the hop IS NOT SHANE'S BREAK.
When I hear something from him other than "I don't think so" I'll listen - and then I'll compare it with the facts I know to decide how much sense it makes.[CB hop] is likely a byproduct of how these guys break, but Shane doesn't think so, and I believe that deserves consideration.
Why are you so combative about a simple difference of opinion? Is this the first time anybody's disagreed with you?You seem to pride yourself on your understanding of physics. Why, then, do you hate the scientific process?
When I hear something from him other than "I don't think so" I'll listen - and then I'll compare it with the facts I know to decide how much sense it makes.
Why are you so combative about a simple difference of opinion? Is this the first time anybody's disagreed with you?
Show me some "scientific process" and I'll consider it. "Shane's really good and he thinks so" isn't it.
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You seem to think these are new ideas. We've talked about them here in one form or another for years, and there still is nothing but idle speculation about the supposed benefits of purposely hopping the CB.The reason I hate your attitude on this matter is you can't prove your position, but won't even consider any other opinion.
To be clear... the hop I was specifically asking about was the hop going into the rack... hitting the 1 ball from a different angle.
I was wondering if that is what sets a great 10 ball break apart. It is the only factor that seems like it would take a lot of practice to get right.
The speed can be easily matched. The cueball placement can be easily matched.(I understand starting in the center and moving toward the rail accordingly to get the second ball action toward the side) Hitting the 1 ball square can be easily matched. The hop into the rack is not so easy. Perhaps attacking the 1 from a slightly different angle is the secret to the spread of the object balls.
The hop of the cueball after the break... beyond the side pockets is a benefit too preventing a scratch in the side... but Im more interested in sending the second balls in the side and just as importantly... maybe more importantly... moving the 1 towards the corner consistently. When Shanes 10 ball break is really "on" that is what I see.
Here's something for you to also consider- SVB has one of the best breaks, not because of just how he hits them, but how consistently he hits them. Many pros often have a great break. The difference between SVB and the others is just the consistency of a great break. He does it far more often than the others.
I believe it is simply a matter of training. He spends hours training himself to be very consistent on just how accurately he hits the break shot. The others do not, and it shows. I believe the hop is just a byproduct of his speed. His accuracy is what matters the most, combined with the correct speed for the table he is on.
Only a couple other pros have trained themselves to have the consistency he does on the break shot, which is not really a normal shot, as it is hit much harder than all the other shots. The harder one hits, the more accuracy is lost in most.
See that is the thing. Is it really hard for a pro to break at a consistent speed, or to consistently bit the balls square? I dont think so.
Wouldn't hopping over a scratch in the side mean hopping off the table?The hop of the cueball after the break... beyond the side pockets is a benefit too preventing a scratch in the side...
Wouldn't hopping over a scratch in the side mean hopping off the table?
If you're not headed for a side pocket, there's no scratch to prevent.
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