Quite possibly the most undeserved win in a final in the history of pool

[Alex Kanapilly]

I told you my friend. He needs a lot of work. I have watched him performing really bad in a lot of matches. And missing lots of shots. It could be his mental game that needs work.

He is not what I would call a "great" player. Maybe in the future. Right now he is overrated.

I'm curious, who would you rate above him in the world? I'm just trying to gauge the level of your delusion. Fargorate has him #2 behind Wu (at least prior to the finals and I doubt Shane will drop much).

He lost to a great player today but to anyone who watched that match (what was available of it anyway), it had to be obvious that he didn't get the rolls that Ko did. I mean we're not talking about 1-2 good rolls for Ko, more like 4-5. That will make a difference in any match. Just be honest about it. No one is knocking Ko, he got lucky but he didn't outplay Shane today.

Back to the your nonsense that Shane isn't even a great player? Come on that's just silly.

 

[robsnotes4u]

I'm curious, who would you rate above him in the world? I'm just trying to gauge the level of your delusion. Fargorate has him #2 behind Wu (at least prior to the finals and I doubt Shane will drop much).



He lost to a great player today but to anyone who watched that match (what was available of it anyway), it had to be obvious that he didn't get the rolls that Ko did. I mean we're not talking about 1-2 good rolls for Ko, more like 4-5. That will make a difference in any match. Just be honest about it. No one is knocking Ko, he got lucky but he didn't outplay Shane today.



Back to the your nonsense that Shane isn't even a great player? Come on that's just silly.

+1


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[gxman]

I was worried that Shane got too hot too soon with the 2 previous matches vs Dennis and Lilttle Ko. Everything went right for him those two matches and it was about time the tides turn against him.

Did Ko get a lot of lucky rolls in the finals, sure. Does he deserve the win? Yes he does 100%.

 

[poolhallbanger]

Did Ko deserved to win?

Anyone who can play that good and get that lucky deserves to win. As far as I am concerned Shane lost the match on losing the lag for the first break. You want to
improve the stature of 9 ball then figure out a better way to minimize the luck factor!:angry:

 

[HurdyGurdy]

Call pocket, call safes. Like Euro ten ball. Actually, all world tournaments should be call pocket/safe 10 ball.

 

[pt109]

Call pocket, call safes. Like Euro ten ball. Actually, all world tournaments should be call pocket/safe 10 ball.

When the game goes to call pocket, call safe, I'll stop watching and playing it.
...if you don't want excitement....DON'T PLAY NINE BALL.

I don't like pedestrian encounters of the third kind.

 

[the Professor]

Do you think Shane regrets the final shot or the position he pushed to more?

Deleted Post

 

[Drop The Rock]

Okay I admit that I was salty when I posted this. I stick to my guns in that I will always post honestly on the site. Mods feel free to change the title or delete if you want. I don't think this was a case of the better man winning, but Ko won and is a helluva a player. BTW I have never knocked Kos ability. He did have a rabbits foot up his... You get what I'm saying. Over all Shane beating little Ko and Dennis by as much as he did just proves he is a world class player and is truly up in the top 3 IMO. Ko winning reinforces that he always changes his hair style and plays like a champ.

 

[poolhallbanger]

Good question! What I saw was a good push out under the circumstances.
Ko declined so the question is did Shane expect Ko to decline? By the look on Shanes's
face I'd say no. This in my opinion set the stage for a poor execution of the safety by Shane. The immediate result being a sell out effectively ending game,set,match. If Shane
had executed the safety more deliberately he may have escaped this unfortunate outcome. Otherwise I congratulate Shane for an excellent overall performance and a reminder for the next time that what doesnt kill you will make you stronger!

 

[pt109]

Good question! What I saw was a good push out under the circumstances.
Ko declined so the question is did Shane expect Ko to decline? By the look on Shanes's
face I'd say no. This in my opinion set the stage for a poor execution of the safety by Shane. The immediate result being a sell out effectively ending game,set,match. If Shane
had executed the safety more deliberately he may have escaped this unfortunate outcome. Otherwise I congratulate Shane for an excellent overall performance and a reminder for the next time that what doesnt kill you will make you stronger!

I thought Shane made a good push....he just hit the kick too thick...
...if Efren had the made the same push, you can't let him shoot, 'cause you're gonna be hooked.

 

[buckshotshoey]

The luck factor is part of the game. It a huge part of life. I accept it. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I dont. I accept it. The human mind is not a perfect machine. Sometimes we have mental lapses in our games. I accept that. Dont like it....working on minimizing it.....but I accept it. The same is true for all top level players.They are human after all. And they accept it.

I remember a match between Efrin and Earl. The famous "z" shot. Just before that shot
Efrin played a safe that, through very bad luck, hit and object ball in.
Then, and even Efrin would admit, very good luck when he made the Z shot.
Its part of the game. Earl I assume would say same. Well, maybe not Earl.

I played a guy one time that wanted to make every aspect of the game a call shot. Claimed that taking all luck out of the game will make a better player.If you called a pocket and you slightly caromed off another object ball, you lost turn. If you called a carom and ball goes in clean, you lost turn. Point is, when you micromanage anything, it becomes a bore, and a drag.
I gave up and went home. It wasn't fun.

Shane and Ko know what it means to get lucky. But in their world, luck is the residue of damn hard work and dedication. As to the mistakes made by both players.....Shane may have made fewer mistakes (arguably) but he probably made them at very bad times. Ko got lucky(arguably) at the very best times. Law of averages. Simple mathematics.

 

[poolhallbanger]

Ko scratches with 3 balls left on the table and leaves Shane only an off angle bank
Ko shoots a combination on the 9 ball and hits it so bad the nine went between
blockers and into the side pocket-even Ko couldnt help laughing
Ko misses several shots leaving Shane perfectly hooked each time

Ko is a great player no doubt but his luck in the final was off the charts:angry:

 

[noMoreSchon]

Luck. I really cannot wait to see these five or so bad rolls Shane experienced in worlds this year. It happens. It is only luck if you don't or cannot run out afterward. Slop in a three rail four ball and run the rack, is it luck anymore? Slop in seven balls in a row and dog the nine, still luck? Rolls happen. When it comes down to Shane and Ko, both are great players, and I can't wait for the next time they mix it up. It is never LUCK when you run out.

 

[one stroke]

Ko scratches with 3 balls left on the table and leaves Shane only an off angle bank
Ko shoots a combination on the 9 ball and hits it so bad the nine went between
blockers and into the side pocket-even Ko couldnt help laughing
Ko misses several shots leaving Shane perfectly hooked each time

Ko is a great player no doubt but his luck in the final was off the charts:angry:

in a championship Boxing match there's a thing called the championship rounds back in the day 13-15th rounds it made little difference who was winning till that point it was who finished stongest in this case Ko rose to the top and Shane didn't

1

 

[Colin Colenso]

From Ted Lerner's article on the final:

SVB - “He got a lot of fortunate rolls and he got lucky to hook me a couple of times after misses,” Van Boening said. "But I also made a couple of mistakes that I should have never have made. He played great and really didn’t make that many mistakes. I think I made more mistakes than he did and that is what cost me.

“He was breaking good and I was breaking bad. There were more people in here(the Al Arabi Sports Club) which changed the temperature and the break a little bit. I really think that was the difference. My break wasn’t working for me. I was having trouble getting a clear shot to run out. That’s the way the game plays.

“There’s nothing I can do. I’m not that disappointed. It’s an honor to play in the world championship finals. I know I can’t win every tournament. Either way if I win or lose it was fun to play in the finals. I’ll be back.”

It's NOT, just a game, it's their jobs, and this was their biggest day ever at the office. Luck doesn't always even out. It's part of the nature of this game, and part of being in the public spotlight is to not talk about it too much. But it was the critical difference in this match imho... from the 60% or so of the match that I saw, there was about 8 game critical rolls that went in Ko's favor, probably leading to about a 4 game turnover... which would have changed to scoreline from 13-11 to 9-15.

A couple of time SVB broke great and unluckily sank the 1 in the corner he was trying to set it up into. When Ko did the same thing, potting the 1, he had lost the CB on the head rail, but the 2 sat adjacent to it over the pocket. The only ball he had a shot on. Things like that tend to go unnoticed, but they involve luck. Ko played well, but had a downhill track last night.

 

[one stroke]

Okay I admit that I was salty when I posted this. I stick to my guns in that I will always post honestly on the site. Mods feel free to change the title or delete if you want. I don't think this was a case of the better man winning, but Ko won and is a helluva a player. BTW I have never knocked Kos ability. He did have a rabbits foot up his... You get what I'm saying. Over all Shane beating little Ko and Dennis by as much as he did just proves he is a world class player and is truly up in the top 3 IMO. Ko winning reinforces that he always changes his hair style and plays like a champ.

MD has beat Shane many times , and Shane continues to beat Dennis and Ko beats Shane ,, these things have a residual effect one player thinks what do I have to do to win while the other thinks he's going to win ,

Shane has to be thinking what do I need to do to beat this guy Ko who beat me with his D game ,, so as Mikey said earlier he favored Ko in a tight match Shane is probably thinking the only way he wins is if he blows Ko out
Given the fact that Ko's break is equally if not better than Shane's mind boggling to him also it's a daunting task , he will have to play perfect pool to win

Stay tuned there is more to come
1

 

[Mr. Bond]

Might you wonder what Ko thinks of his victory.

Can you fit in another man's shoes?

 

[Colin Colenso]

Might you wonder what Ko thinks of his victory.

Can you fit in another man's shoes?

In his own words, he got some lucky rolls....

Ko Pin Yi - " I think we both played good and both made some mistakes. I feel that I got a few lucky rolls to help me win the match. There was a lot of pressure especially from 8-8 on. But at the end of the match I played good and I am happy I was able to stay patient. You just never know in 9-ball. The ball is round and you have to wait until the last 9-ball drops.”

 

[wrickyb]

This is a forum. This thread may not flow with popular opinion and quite frankly I do not care. I have posted plenty of positive things as well as some negative and am pretty active on here. Feel free to disagree with me, I won't lose any sleep. I will emphasize THE FINAL MATCH was horrendous with the amount of rolls Ko got and IN MY OPINION he did not deserve to win THE FINAL. He also missed more than Shane. He earned his spot getting there but I don't think he earned the title outright.

I'm not afraid to say what I believe and will continue to do so. Shane may not have won but he has proven that he is one of the top players in the world whether he plays domestically or internationally and that is indisputable.

So please feel free to post a 'worst thread of the year' and be sure to link this and bash me. You have every right to do so.

For those of you who have ever said or felt the same way in regards to another sport or competition, congrats you are either passionate about pool or a total hypocrite.

I totally agree with you. Loved how Ko missed the combo on the 9 in the corner and Fu****d it the side pocket and gave the look going back to his chair like that was where he was playing it. Ko should have been eliminated in the Semi - Have not watched it but if he got the same luck there it makes the win even sicker.

BTW the Worst Thread of the Year award goes to KO Runs Over Shane - How Stupid is that?

The other thing that Pisses me of is AnyONE Saying they are Ashamed to be an American - IF SO PACK YOU SHIT AND FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY! Greatest Place in this world to live!

 

[Colin Colenso]

Freak Shot on the 7

This is the kind of shot that makes my head go wobbly and makes me wonder what the Grand Architects have planned for me.

Ko misses the 7, scratches, and the 7 rolls onto the 8 such that it can't be potted directly into any pocket.

Go put the 8 and 9 ball there and throw the 7 ball around randomly until you get it anywhere on the table where it can't be potted directly with BIH. You'll be lucky to do it in 1000 tries.

I'd lay anyone 10 to 1 on doing it with 20 deliberate tries using their cue from 5 feet away.

This is not a roll, it's a nosedive with engines on full throttle.

btw: Shane missed the bank and sold out. I'm sure his head was spinning as he lined up the bank.