LD/laminated first

[RBC]

Explain how a the composite reduces deflection ?
Is it lighter than wood ?

Joey

Composites aren't lighter than wood.

But, they can make the overall package a little lighter. If, the wood removed is heavier than the composite that takes it's place, then the overall mass is less.

It's not an easy thing to do though. I'm certain that there are products out there where the mass is higher because of the use of the composites.

The only time we use them is when we can make great use of their structural advantage. It's just more beneficial weight wise and it keeps our structural integrity up.


Royce

 

[Drop The Rock]

And lamination have nothing to do with cue ball deflection though.
And that synthetic tube might actually cause more cue ball squirt .
It's probably there to make the shaft more stable .

I think if a pro can play with a 12MM tip, a hollowed end gives him no advantage.

I thought I made it obvious that I'm fully aware a shaft doesn't have to laminated to be LD.

HENCE why I said regardless of deflection because of the "aiming systems." Some claim LD or LS have no affect on the game at all.

Although others will say laminated shafts and shafts with carbon fiber inserts feel more consistent.

 

[Drop The Rock]

Marketing hype might be responsible for initial sales. But converted attitudes come from longer term experience from the users. I still use traditional shafts. But I respect the companies who produce cues that most players prefer. Pool needs more players who love playing. Why argue when they get what they want?

Explain how a the composite reduces deflection ?
Is it lighter than wood ?

And Allison Fisher won world titles with Cuetec fiberglass clad shafts .

Carbon fiber is not lighter than balsa .
All cuetec needs to do is drill a hole to make it low squirt .

A standard shaft can have many different ferrule configuration.
A long capped heavy ferrule will have the most cb squirt.

Snap a carbon fiber tube with your hands and then snap some balsa... The tensile strength of carbon fiber is significantly higher than balsa. For structural intergity purposes balsa isn't going to help. SOME LD shafts utilize carbon fiber in order to made the shaft stiffer. I doubt balsa would achieve the same. Even changing ferrule configuration will only see improvements in squirt. Now going completely ferrule-less with a carbon fiber pad would probably work the best and then hole drilling can start from there.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Snap a carbon fiber tube with your hands and then snap some balsa... The tensile strength of carbon fiber is significantly higher than balsa. For structural intergity purposes balsa isn't going to help. SOME LD shafts utilize carbon fiber in order to made the shaft stiffer. I doubt balsa would achieve the same. Even changing ferrule configuration will only see improvements in squirt. Now going completely ferrule-less with a carbon fiber pad would probably work the best and then hole drilling can start from there.

Except they were fiberglass.

 

[Drop The Rock]

Except they were fiberglass.

They...? Who? Are you referring to cuetec only? This thread isn't about their shafts but about the product in a much more general sense so by your logic about balsa lots of shafts could be made that way. The R360 shafts have a fiberglass composite on the inside, not outside. I don't know what the weight/mass difference would be between equivalent lengths/amount of carbon fiber vs composite but I'm willing to bet that either way that balsa doesn't fit with that design.

It may for some designs though, I just wouldnt work with because I think there are better alternatives.

 

[RBC]

And lamination have nothing to do with cue ball deflection though.
And that synthetic tube might actually cause more cue ball squirt .
It's probably there to make the shaft more stable .

I think if a pro can play with a 12MM tip, a hollowed end gives him no advantage.

Joey

While a 12mm shaft will certainly have less cue ball squirt than a 13mm shaft will, it will still be noticeable higher than today's top performance shafts.

Royce

 

[RBC]

And Allison Fisher won world titles with Cuetec fiberglass clad shafts .

Carbon fiber is not lighter than balsa .
All cuetec needs to do is drill a hole to make it low squirt .

A standard shaft can have many different ferrule configuration.
A long capped heavy ferrule will have the most cb squirt.

Joey

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I don't think Allison's shafts were the fiberglass clad ones. I think her's were just solid maple at first, and later she went to their R360, which is wood on the outside too.

Royce