Veteran Cue People/Owners
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Absolutely, without a doubt.
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Maple shafts are solid wood. Usually aged.
Laminated shafts are a rounded piece of wood cut into pie shapes and then glued back together. Reducing deflection.
For the record -- Laminated shafts do not reduce deflection (squirt).
Why not an ivory ferrule? Because an elephant has to die to get your ivory.
Yea as much as we talk about the ivory laws and everything else, demand still drives poaching.
Also, I can understand inlays, but joints, ferrules and butt caps make no sense to me. Ivory ferrules don't feel good at all and won't last forever if played regularly and the same goes for ivory joints except for the feel.
Lam shafts can be flat, or pie shaped, basically multiple pieces glued together. Some say it reduces warpage. Solid maple shafts are just that, maple cut with the grain and turned into a dowel. Either can be made to be LD.
Ivory ferrules are a major PITA if you ask me. They crack often, they're expensive, and there are much more durable materials that play better, if not the same. Ivory is pretty, and doesn't take chalk that easily... That's about it.
Simple answer, a laminated shaft is like plywood (although most are still Maple too)
Ivory Ferrule........ Why not? because it comes from an elephant. It's unethical, that should be enough.
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Usually ivory has a distinct sound and hit when struck. I usually can tell. However, I have used some shafts with ivory ferules that did not have that same "hit". Could be the difference in wood.
Laminated shafts are glue together, i believe to increase radial concistansty.
And are lighter weight toward the tip so it flexes out of the way, instead of pushing the cue ball to the side.
Soilid maple shafts can be made low deflection, but ive never tried one. I play with a regular solid maple shaft and am happy with its results.
To each his own i guess.
And are lighter weight toward the tip so it flexes out of the way, instead of pushing the cue ball to the side.
Soilid maple shafts can be made low deflection, but ive never tried one. I play with a regular solid maple shaft and am happy with its results.
To each his own i guess.
Regardless on how you feel about elephants, my argument stands. It was the best material around when custom cues started becoming a thing back in the day. However, there are much more durable and sustainable materials around now that don't have all the red tape involved. Stag Antler (sheds naturally), Ivor-x, Melamine, Juma, Paper Micarta, all more durable than Ivory (not to mention less expensive). In some cases, newer ferrule material has been designed to be less like Ivory in certain ways (ie: LD ferrule material).
If you wanted reasons on why to not use Ivory, then there you go...
I don't expect an ivory ferrule to fool me...distinctive sound.....and if I'm playing a shot
with inside english, I will overcut the shot.
...although I'm not so sure about the ethical, vegan, PETA view....the ones that express
that opinion are usually playing with leather tips.
I don't expect an ivory ferrule to fool me...distinctive sound.....and if I'm playing a shot
with inside english, I will overcut the shot.
...although I'm not so sure about the ethical, vegan, PETA view....the ones that express
that opinion are usually playing with leather tips.
And wearing leather shoes... leather wraps.
I can tell.
Dale
I don't expect an ivory ferrule to fool me...distinctive sound.....and if I'm playing a shot
with inside english, I will overcut the shot.
...although I'm not so sure about the ethical, vegan, PETA view....the ones that express
that opinion are usually playing with leather tips.
Ah, I see what you're doing there. You think protecting elephants and using cowhide is hypocritical. Unfortunately, the argument is a bit more complex than that. For one, ivory is illegal and has been for quite some time. There's a lot of illegal poaching done to fulfill demand and when pool players demand it on their cues, it obviously increases that demand.
Personally, I'd like to see pool avoid as much bad press as possible. I would hate to see mainstream media attack the sport because someone gets busted in an ivory smuggling scheme. As well, I'd like to see elephants continue populating the earth. If cows and pigs become endangered, I'll gladly switch to a synthetic material. Until that day comes, I'll just think about the elephants.
Good point, Jude.
I guess I never had to think too hard on it, 'cause I hate the hit from ivory.
Good post.
In short--------> There are hella pigs and cows around, but not many Elephants. In other words: leather jackets are not equal to ivory ferrules. You don't have to be a PETA-tard or a Vegan to see the difference here (I personally hate PETA).
OP specifically asked about Ivory Ferrules. I see lot's of reasons in this thread to not use them... there aren't many good reasons posted yet that say why Ivory should be used for ferrules (unless you count a CM's income). Hopefully this thread stays on topic.
yes but its usually not the population part thats mentioned when talking about cows and stuff, its usually "humane" or not. I agree on the no bad press but i really don't think that its pool why guys are poaching. Anyway it's seems to be more personal that performance why most don't have them, and the laminated shafts don't seem to have any fans also. I'll play a bit more with my shaft and see what i think, i had two made with my custom but coming off of a LD i played with the maple more and got use to that never really playing with the Lam. I asked cause I wanted to know what to look for but it seems to be a "if you like or not" situation.
Listen, I'm sorry for how I came off in my last post. Honestly, I hate reading my posts and seeing how snarky I can be.
Here's my opinion. I love pool and its history and I'm proud to say I play seriously. Our industry has done a great deal for the world and I'd like to see that continue. Did you know, pool provided the incentive to invent plastic? When the elephant ban went into effect, Brunswick offered cash to the person that could invent a suitable material to replace ivory. Plastic's first use-case was pool.
When someone posts to this forum, asking about ivory, it needs to be politely dismissed. We need to talk about other materials that are of equal or higher quality both in terms of aesthetics and strength and there are plenty. We need to look at it as an opportunity to show we're the good guys and we're not going to contribute to serious problems outside our industry.
I don't own any ivory nor will I ever own a cue with ivory. To me, a cue is sports equipment, not art. I know many here feel otherwise but I think a great deal has been done in the cue industry that doesn't include ivory. If you want people to support pool, you should respect the people outside of pool looking for our support. We should be a part of the solution and support discussions about alternative products whenever possible.
Here's my opinion. I love pool and its history and I'm proud to say I play seriously. Our industry has done a great deal for the world and I'd like to see that continue. Did you know, pool provided the incentive to invent plastic? When the elephant ban went into effect, Brunswick offered cash to the person that could invent a suitable material to replace ivory. Plastic's first use-case was pool.
When someone posts to this forum, asking about ivory, it needs to be politely dismissed. We need to talk about other materials that are of equal or higher quality both in terms of aesthetics and strength and there are plenty. We need to look at it as an opportunity to show we're the good guys and we're not going to contribute to serious problems outside our industry.
I don't own any ivory nor will I ever own a cue with ivory. To me, a cue is sports equipment, not art. I know many here feel otherwise but I think a great deal has been done in the cue industry that doesn't include ivory. If you want people to support pool, you should respect the people outside of pool looking for our support. We should be a part of the solution and support discussions about alternative products whenever possible.