I think it's the fact that you are connecting lines from a standing position. In effect you are making the cue ball a focal point more than with gb for example.
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Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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John,
It's not the same, but CJ divides the CB into fractions & then aligns them to only the Center or Edge of the OB.
Different does not make it a completely objective method.
Best Wishes.
Is the angle of approach, objective or not?
The stroking line.
That's the question, isn't it? But more so how does one get to the objectively true & correct line/
If the ball pockets then one could consider it to have been the objectively true line but by what parameters?
A center hit? At what speed?
A TOI hit to keep swerve out of play?
A TOO at a speed to get maximum SIT?
Best 2 Ya.
With spin, then you have to rely on your judgment.
Without spin, double the distance from the contact point ?
But, let's say, you just know by experience what the natural stroking line.
Is that objective or not ?
If you are referring to the how the shooter approaches the shot CTE I'd 100% objective in my opinion and experience.
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John,
So... are you saying that the method I described as CJ's is a completely objective aiming method?
Best Wishes.
I'd say no, unless you can give a detailed description of what to do just as you do with no opening for us to insert our own subjectivity into the operation.
You're basically relying on your personal subjective data bank personally built by you based on your past experiences of success & failures & can now recognize & 'know' what the stroking line is... IF you are correct.
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I guess you don't understand. I am using the CTE SYSTEM. Which is ctel and edge to A go down with a half tip and pivot to center cue ball. I say I make the fifth shot in the pocket, you say it hits the short rail about 2-3 diamonds from the pocket. Please explain how you think I make a subconscious adjustment from center cue ball to make the shot. I can't make a subconscious adjustment from the standing aim position and still follow the correct steps of the system to lead to center cue ball. It's just not possible.
What's not possible is following the same steps without adjustment and making the shot.
That means it's not only possible to make the adjustment, it's necessary.
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So when do I make the adjustment? From the standing aiming position or after pivoting to center cue ball.
Actually that's an interesting question. What does Stan's DVD say about where your eyes should be focused as you get down into shooting position? I bet if you focus only on the cue ball as you get down, you might end up in a different shooting position (ie, aim) than if you look at the object ball as you get into shooting position.
For the record, here's my experience: When I shoot shot 5 from the video, the ball either goes in the pocket, or nearly does. When I shoot shot 1, with the same ETA/CTE visual and then 1/2 tip pivot from the left side to CCB, the object ball practically goes in the side pocket. It isn't even close to the corner pocket. So for me, shot 5 is close to a natural shot, not shot 1.
Funny how that one paragraph above has launched a thousand posts.
I can't answer for sure because I'm not in your head while it's happening, but my guess is that "getting the visual" is where most of it is done with some fine-tuning through the final pivot.
Subjective adjusting doesn't reflect poorly on CTE, and if I was you I wouldn't dwell on it much - the system seems to give you the framework you need to make the needed adjustments without too much mental effort or distraction, and that's just what you want. If it gets you in the zone, stay there and don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
pj
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CTE & ETA can only be seen equally from along the one line that bisects them.
When you move off of that line you just left the objective & went to the subjective & YOUR determination of what the perception of the shot is.
The CTE & ETA lines are the same regardless of where the balls are on the table. That's science. To say otherwise goes against that science. 2 points define a straight line. To see the 2 lines simultaneously & equally can only be done from along ONE line. If you move off of the line you just went off objectivity & into the realm of subjectivity.
Stan nor anyone else has given any definitive instructions nor description of any other line. 'move until you see the 'proper' perception' is NOT any definitive instructions nor has there been any objective description of exactly what that his.
When I shot the 5 shots, I saw the CTE & ETA line simultaneously & it was the same for shot 1, 2 ,3 ,4 , & 5.
When I was finished, I set up #5 & shot it hard my way & ratted it in the 4" pocket. I then set it up again & drilled into the center of the pocket using TOI.
Could I go through the steps of finding the CTE & ETA line & position myself to see them simultaneously & then realize that even with a thinning pivot it will be too thick & then move to add cut?
Sure...but that would involve my subjectivity regarding the shot.
I know this is most probably wasted on you, but I will take a page from JB & thank you for the opportunity to tell it like it is.
Best Wishes.
The focus when using CTE/Pro One is on the CB. I don't use CTE that much anymore, but when I do I only look at the CB when getting into my stance.