Korr beats Ko 1st Round

SUPERSTAR said:
Are you a paid shill?
Do you get a % or something?
Certainly get all hype about anything Fargo, that's for sure.

Just because it's not blasted on the forums, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There other forms of social media and communication you know.
There are plenty of people who feel that Fargo has simplified handicapping for their betting, which is totally naive IMO.
I can poke fun at that all i want.
They know who they are.
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I'm just tired of seeing people who either don't understand probability, or the Fargo system itself and the intricacies of how it works, and knock it out of ignorance. If you are knocking other people who claim it is perfect you really need to be more clear because it just looks like you are knocking Fargo itself as being of little use and grossly inaccurate. Also, if you don't believe that it helps in the handicapping of matches and is a good tool and resource if you are betting (along with other knowledge) you would be naive. And whether or not it already does still remains to be seen, but if you don't belief that at some point very soon Fargo will do a much better job at picking winners then you can (if you weren't using Fargo to help you) then you are also naive. Not saying you have either of those naive beliefs, but if you do they are in fact naive.
 
corvette1340 said:
If you'd actually read the entire thread and understand the subject matter, you'd know that I've already responded and that Karen winning is the strongest supporter for the entire short race variance argument that can possibly be made.
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Not really because the race could have went much longer and she still would have won
what variences don't factor in is everyone does not play thier best everyday , it only factors in such things as luck and rolls
She didn't win because of variences she won because she was the "better " player today

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I hadn't seen it posted here yet: Fargo had Ko 10-1 (91%) to beat Karen. I don't care what else she does in this tourney, great job Karen!
 
one stroke said:
Not really because the race could have went much longer and she still would have won
what variences don't factor in is everyone does not play thier best everyday , it only factors in such things as luck and rolls
She didn't win because of variences she won because she was the "better " player today

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Are you dumb or just not smart?

Playing above or below your speed for a temporary period of time IS variance.
 
EL'nino said:
If she can beat him she's certainly got the skills to win it all
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She can definitely win at least 1/10 sets to 11 against anyone on the planet, but that is a far cry from wiiNing 8/8 against this year's field.

Not to diminish the victory, she IS a bad dude.
 
My thoughts on how Ko can improve

Imo Ko's only weakness is taking it too easy on women or other obviously inferior players.

I understand how it can be tough getting up for playing someone who is not suppose to beat you on your worst day but still, he has got to find a way to get up for a match like this because getting beat is a real possibility in pool if you take the game too lightly. The thing I believe Ko has to do is he has to find a way to make the match a challenge even when he is the heavy, heavy favorite.

They say Michael Jordan did this. He would find one little thing against one particular opponent to work on to challenge himself. Maybe it would be on defense: keeping his offensive player going left every single time. Maybe it was on offense: coming off a screen and shooting the millisecond he saw an opening. Whatever his strategy, we all know it kept him engaged and improving, even when he was the best player in the world. Imo Ko has got to do the same thing here. It really is a shame that he lost but what makes it worse is he lost to a girl. Go figure.
 
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(((Satori))) said:
Imo Ko's only weakness is taking it too easy on women or other types of inferior players.

I understand how it can be tough getting up for playing someone who is not suppose to beat you on your worst day but still, he has got to find a way to get up for a match like this because getting beat is a real possibility in pool if you take the game too lightly. The thing I believe Ko has to do is he has to find a way to make the match a challenge even when he is the heavy, heavy favorite.

They say Michael Jordan did this. He would find one little thing against one particular opponent to work on to challenge himself. Maybe it would be on defense: keeping his offensive player going left every single time. Maybe it was on offense: coming off a screen and shooting the millisecond he saw an opening. Whatever his strategy, we all know it kept him engaged and improving, even when he was the best player in the world. Imo Ko has got to do the same thing here. It really is a shame that he lost but what makes it worse is he lost to a girl. Go figure.
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don't feel too sorry for him, he has won everything this year......taking his opponent too lightly is obviously an area in his game that needs work.....in other words, his mental game is weak.....be interesting to see how far Karen can go
 
I don't think Karen was as heavy an underdog as you make it sound. I've seen both players play a lot of matches. Sure Ko was the favorite. It was an upset, but I don't think Karen loses 9 out of 10 to anyone. I don't understand the idea that she is instantly inferior because she is female. I cannot explain why historically there have been less women playing world class pool or pool in general. Maybe it is the fact that the odds are considered against them even before they pick up a pool cue.

Let's use the APA for example. If I go find two people on the street, one male, one female, who have never held a pool cue before in their life and sign them up for the APA, the male would start as a 3 and the female would start as a 2. The only difference between the two is that one is female. The thing I love about this game is that you have to compete with both your opponent and your own mind in order to be successful, it makes it much harder when you have to compete with your opponent, yourself and everybody else because you are deemed somehow inferior before you ever even step to the table.

It has become completely cliché on this site to offer opinions as to what is wrong with this sport and what is needed to fix it. This is a huge glaring problem that I see in the culture of pool. Half the population is instantly considered not worthy to even hold a cue, let alone be good enough to compete with anyone else. I know a lot of the people don't necessarily go to that extreme in their assessment of women players, however, just based upon the fact that they are female they are somehow inferior from the get go. If we can fix this mentality and include the whole of the population in enjoying this wonderful sport then it certainly would go along way in furthering pool.
 
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poolplaya1976 said:
one factor but not all......ko not playing well could be a factor just as much as Karen playing over her head.......thank you, come again
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Actually I doubt Karren played much a over Her head she's one of the most consistent players out there men or woman ,, Not seeing the match I'm thinking that the racking rules were a big factor ,,



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Karen is a stone cold killer, in a race to 11 she can beat anybody (she just proved it) Now in a race to 100 against A Ko or Shane not in a million years. But it doesn't matter what anybody here says she took down Godzilla today!!!
 
EL'nino said:
Karen is a stone cold killer, in a race to 11 she can beat anybody (she just proved it) Now in a race to 100 against A Ko or Shane not in a million years. But it doesn't matter what anybody here says she took down Godzilla today!!!
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I give her credit plenty.....she won when it counted.....the only thing I don't like is everyone here thinks that this eliminated ko.....it didn't....he is still very much alive in this tournament and if anything, it most likely woke him up a little.....I would hate to be his next opponent :eek:
 
I feel sorry for the poor SOB that loses his first match and then has to play KO in his second.

What's the over/under on how many matches KO wins in the losers bracket? I'm gonna say 6.
 
I would just like to point out that most players are an underdog when they play Big Ko.
....a lot should win 2 out of ten matches with him.
...but most of them won't win any.....the fear factor.

Karen has a heart like a lion....when it's her turn, she can do it.
 
erhino41 said:
I don't understand the idea that she is instantly inferior because she is female.
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Maybe I missed it but I didn't see where anyone said she was inferior to Ko simply because she was female. People thought she was inferior because her skills are inferior and her results in competition are inferior.

erhino41 said:
If I go find two people on the street, one male, one female, who have never held a pool cue before in their life
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If you picked a female and male at random, and gave them the same training, the same practice time, same environment, etc, the male would almost certainly end up very noticeably better. That this is true isn't even really intelligently debatable in my opinion, as the evidence for it is beyond overwhelming. What is debatable is why this is true, and it has been debated on here a hundred times. It still has nothing to do with Corr beating Ko though because nobody including me said Corr was the underdog because she was female, they were basing it simply on her skill and results compared to his skill and results. Her skills made her the underdog regardless of her gender.
 
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