Boyes pulling a very questionable move on Daulton

rrick33 said:
Pool is 90% mental and the psychology of aggression is a factor in performance.

If a player who just won a game jumps to the table so quickly that the cue ball is still rolling as they place their cue on the table, then they are making a statement.

Any alpha player would notice this behavior and would be remiss if there was not some response. They may not make issue of it at the time of the occurrence but you can't allow your opponent to gain psychological momentum.

Calling the foul was simply an effort, within the rules, to prevent his opponent from holding the higher ground and put a damper on his enthusiasm.

It may seem petty to some but if you truly understand the psychological interplay of performance, you will see this situation as nothing more than a controlled response to an aggressive action.

There is no right or wrong here....it's just competition.
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I guess this, among other reasons of course, is why I will never be a champion player. I simply cannot pull a dbag move like this. Yeah, I can sense when momentum shifts. I attribute it to either a mistake on my part, giving the opponent the opp to win, or great play on the opponents part. Being an ass to try to get that momentum back is not something I've considered. I focus on my play, and try to turn it around on the table.

I guess in the end, I'd rather be graceful in defeat then an ass with the win.

NOTE: I have a job, my livelihood does NOT depend on pool. I look at pool as a way to have fun in a competitive environment. I have met great people through pool, and would rather make friends at the pool hall than dbag a win...Obviously these guys are on a much different level and have much different objectives.
 
NIT move... nobody would call you on that in an action situation.

Earl used to call people on silly crap, then I started noticing he'd check to make sure whitey was behind the string before breaking, and he'd make the 9, then stare at the CB until it completely stopped.
 
You have to protect yourself at all times. Just play the game by the rules and let your shooting do the talking. I have seen to many violations over the years that were called and not called when they should have been. Shannon made the shot and he should have let the cue ball stop before proceeding. That Boyes called it is really not the issue. Did he have the right to? Yes he did. Shannon is too experienced to have done what he did, especially against a player with the reputation Boyes has.
 
Baby Huey said:
You have to protect yourself at all times. Just play the game by the rules and let your shooting do the talking. I have seen to many violations over the years that were called and not called when they should have been. Shannon made the shot and he should have let the cue ball stop before proceeding. That Boyes called it is really not the issue. Did he have the right to? Yes he did. Shannon is too experienced to have done what he did, especially against a player with the reputation Boyes has.
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This right here folks. ^^^^^^^

It's easy...do not give them the chance to call a foul on ya. End of story. John B.
 
John Brumback said:
This right here folks. ^^^^^^^

It's easy...do not give them the chance to call a foul on ya. End of story. John B.
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you're still missing the issue here John. Everyone realizes that Shannon shouldn't have put his stick down and everyone realizes that it's a foul. What the majority are saying is that Karl is a douche bag for calling it. It's a nit move, period. Would you call that on your opponent?
 
John Brumback said:
I'm kinda out of the loop but "nit" used to mean....."plays good but won't bet":confused: John B.
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it can mean a majority of things, but in this instance it most closely means "angle shooter, stickler, unsportsmanlike", ie....will use any type of situation to take advantage of an opponent even at the expense of being unsportsmanlike. Liken it to someone coughing every time you shoot but then saying they just have a cold and it's a coincidence that they are coughing every time you shoot. Blatant sharking at every opportunity.
 
There is a valid reason for the rule. It is to prevent arguments over whether the cue ball would have scratched. I've known players in local and regional events who abused it. Every time they pocketed the money ball they stopped the cue ball - no chance of scratching.

If you leave it vague and don't enforce the rules people will take advantage.

It is unfortunate it happened to Shannon but he opened himself up to the "move". Nobody to blame but himself.
 
corvette1340 said:
you're still missing the issue here John. Everyone realizes that Shannon shouldn't have put his stick down and everyone realizes that it's a foul. What the majority are saying is that Karl is a douche bag for calling it. It's a nit move, period. Would you call that on your opponent?
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Hello drinkin buddy:D No I would not,BUT I've wanted to plenty of times. Never know,I might be in a bad mood and call it on someone one of these days since it does say right there in the rule book,that you can not touch the cball Until IT quits rolling.

Sorry bud but I'm not really missing the issue,I don't care about "The Issue"

All I'm saying is that a rule is a rule.Don't break the rules and there will not be any problems. John B.

Maybe he (Karl) plays by the rules over there where he's from,that could explain him calling SD out on it. Like I said..I feel bad for my good buddy,SD
 
alstl said:
There is a valid reason for the rule. It is to prevent arguments over whether the cue ball would have scratched. I've known players in local and regional events who abused it. Every time they pocketed the money ball they stopped the cue ball - no chance of scratching.

If you leave it vague and don't enforce the rules people will take advantage.

It is unfortunate it happened to Shannon but he opened himself up to the "move". Nobody to blame but himself.
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lol, ONCE AGAIN, nobody is blaming anyone. Karl is a douche bag for calling the foul even if it's technically a foul. Some of you have obviously never participated in sports. Why do you think batters get thrown at after they flip the bat or grandstand after a home run even though it's well within their rights to do so? Why do you think golfers give each other short putts in match play even though they don't have to?

It's called sportsmanship. There's no rule governing sportsmanship and it isn't something written in a book. An overwhelming, vast majority of pro pool players wouldn't have called this foul because it's a dick move and it is unsportsmanlike to do so.
 
John Brumback said:
Hello drinkin buddy:D No I would not,BUT I've wanted to plenty of times. Never know,I might be in a bad mood and call it on someone one of these days since it does say right there in the rule book,that you can not touch the cball Until IT quits rolling.

Sorry bud but I'm not really missing the issue,I don't care about "The Issue"

All I'm saying is that a rule is a rule.Don't break the rules and there will not be any problems. John B.

Maybe he (Karl) plays by the rules over there where he's from,that could explain him calling SD out on it. Like I said..I feel bad for my good buddy,SD
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But he didn't call it because he plays by the rules, he called it because he saw the opportunity to exploit the rules, sportsmanship be damned. If he cared so much about the integrity of the game and calling all of the rules to the letter then he would have called the same rule infraction on Niels in the last match of the Mosconi Cup.
 
corvette1340 said:
lol, ONCE AGAIN, nobody is blaming anyone. Karl is a douche bag for calling the foul even if it's technically a foul. Some of you have obviously never participated in sports. Why do you think batters get thrown at after they flip the bat or grandstand after a home run even though it's well within their rights to do so? Why do you think golfers give each other short putts in match play even though they don't have to?

It's called sportsmanship. There's no rule governing sportsmanship and it isn't something written in a book. An overwhelming, vast majority of pro pool players wouldn't have called this foul because it's a dick move and it is unsportsmanlike to do so.
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Vette man, It's very important that everyone agrees with you huh?!

I have noticed that about you.
 
corvette1340 said:
But he didn't call it because he plays by the rules, he called it because he saw the opportunity to exploit the rules, sportsmanship be damned. If he cared so much about the integrity of the game and calling all of the rules to the letter then he would have called the same rule infraction on Niels in the last match of the Mosconi Cup.
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If we talk about true integrity of the sport than Shannon would have called the foul on himself. Golfers call there own penalties for example. That's true integrity.
 
(((Satori))) said:
Vette man, It's very important that everyone agrees with you huh?!

I have noticed that about you.
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not at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That's what makes America the greatest country in the world. You or I can express any opinion we want without fear of persecution. At least that's the way it used to be.

The fact that I'm always right about everything is beside the point.
 
throne4 said:
If we talk about true integrity of the sport than Shannon would have called the foul on himself. Golfers call there own penalties for example. That's true integrity.
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and if it would have been a foul affecting the outcome of the game then I'd definitely agree with you. In this instance, it's a foul that obviously doesn't affect the outcome of the game and has been overlooked by pros that don't try to angle shoot for 100 years.
 
I don't care if boyes wins 1000+ titles on future.
He is pathetic. Never gonna get any respect from me. And I don't care whatever other thinks about that.
My decision about this is made because he is acting unsportsmanlike time after time.
 
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