Boyes pulling a very questionable move on Daulton
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Ironic, how we now we have players from over the pond realizing the dollar is more important than the sport or ones integrity, and they are starting to act like dirt bag players that can be found in any honky tonk bar in the USA. Broke dick pool players act very similar no matter where they are from.
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What I am saying... definitely +1
Karl and his moves
Karl Boyes was nicknamed "Ball Cleaner" by others for a reason
In W9B last year v Efren, he probably had CB cleaned most number of times ever
Karl pulled more moves than a stripper at recent World Cup of Pool
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=407212
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Karl Boyes was nicknamed "Ball Cleaner" by others for a reason
In W9B last year v Efren, he probably had CB cleaned most number of times ever
Karl pulled more moves than a stripper at recent World Cup of Pool
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=407212
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Complete douche bag nit move. I didn't see the match, but from what I saw in the comments on Shannon's FB concerning this Boyes did the same exact thing earlier in the match.
I've seen things like that called before and it always just irritated me. I've even been warned by others not to do certain things while playing someone and that irritated me.
I've seen things like that called before and it always just irritated me. I've even been warned by others not to do certain things while playing someone and that irritated me.
ten foot pole....:ignore:
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Ron Swanson
Banned
so he's grabbed your crotch, too?
(credit to JB for the "dick move" reference
)while it was a legit claim, it was bad form, especially from a "pro". but if qualified, this is coming from the same person who was sharking via crotch grabs, eye-blinks, etc. (Spartan, i need your links please) petty, if you ask me.
@ poolplaya1996 - meet us downstairs tomorrow night, and i'll pick you up off of the floor....
I've not read all of this thread as I can't be bothered wading through the personal attacks on Boyes, so I don't know if this has been mentioned. While what he did may not be in the spirit of the game, rules are rules and where would be we be without them? Oh yeah, here!
This precedent was set in the 2007 World Championship quarter final match between Daryl Peach and Francisco Bustamente when Bustamente was found to have fouled on what would have been a match winning shot, but only after use of slow motion replay. That said, if you go through the minutia of the rules and regulations (and, I am enough of a nerd to have done so in the past), Regulation 7 says "The referee will form his decision by all means that seem suitable to him." In other words, if replay is available, they can use it.
You can read the relevant bits at the WPA website. Read parts 7 and 8, they give the relevant information.
Also, you can watch footage of the incident I mention above on Youtube - Part 1 and Part 2.
The only issues with not following a rule. Your either trying to be the good guy or your assuming your opponent would not call the same foul on you. What is not known is whether his opponent would have called a foul on him if the situation is reversed. As nitty as it seems in this situation. It is a rule and Shannon should have know better. Kinda like when its call pocket and someone forgets, no matter how obvious the shot is. Follow the rules to avoid situations like this. I saw the match. Commentators thought the confusion was about them. I figured it was because the cue ball hit his cue. If they are going to call a foul because your shirt touches a ball. I assume they will call a foul when your cue touches the cue ball while it is still moving. No matter how slow.
A similar thing happened to Rodney Morris when he was a UPA member. He was competing in Europe as a UPA member. He was getting ready to executive a tough bank, and he used his cuestick as kind of a measuring stick, laying it on the table. The stick did not touch anything, but it was called a foul, and Rodney lost his turn.
At the time, the Americans complained they were not aware of the rules fully at this tournament, and the rules were somewhat different than the norm over here in the States.
At the time, the Americans complained they were not aware of the rules fully at this tournament, and the rules were somewhat different than the norm over here in the States.
RichGambler
The Kid
Exactly this. F Boyes.
To me, the foul was very obvious, without the replay. Most of the cueball's energy was transferred to the 9, and the 3 ball barely makes it to the side pocket going sideways on the table. The 9 traveled further than the cueball and the 3 combined after the hit.
The rotation sport of pool is still herding cats. The snooker world has rules and All players know em. The PGA has rules and it's enforced. Since the great years of Mosconi are behind us....What we have left over in the states is PROMOTERS with an agenda, and that agenda is NOT for the sport, the game or it's history, it's pure CASSSSSSSSSSSH or ego, or they got talked into it by the local hot shot, who now has court advantage $$$. In the capitalistic west....the bottom line in pool steers the ship, not the other way around.
Tap tap tap!
The point that some of you are still missing is that this is not a question of rules. It's obviously, or maybe a better word is "technically", a foul. That's not in question. What is in question is sportsmanship and Boyes has none. The vast majority of pool players, regardless of how much they need the money, how big the tournament is, or how shady their past has been, would not call this foul. It's a nitty, angle shooting move, PERIOD.
Suzanne Petterson's career and reputation will never be the same because of her similar move in the recent Solheim Cup. She was blasted for it around the world by everyone for her poor sportsmanship. Her teammates even cried about it and she later apologized but the fallout and damage had already been done. She was well within her rights to call the foul but her reputation is now trashed over it. This is not Karl's first venture into poor sportsmanship as he's known for it and it seems he doesn't care. At any rate, it was a douche bag, unsportsmanlike move and that's the real issue here.
Suzanne Petterson's career and reputation will never be the same because of her similar move in the recent Solheim Cup. She was blasted for it around the world by everyone for her poor sportsmanship. Her teammates even cried about it and she later apologized but the fallout and damage had already been done. She was well within her rights to call the foul but her reputation is now trashed over it. This is not Karl's first venture into poor sportsmanship as he's known for it and it seems he doesn't care. At any rate, it was a douche bag, unsportsmanlike move and that's the real issue here.
Pool is 90% mental and the psychology of aggression is a factor in performance.
If a player who just won a game jumps to the table so quickly that the cue ball is still rolling as they place their cue on the table, then they are making a statement.
Any alpha player would notice this behavior and would be remiss if there was not some response. They may not make issue of it at the time of the occurrence but you can't allow your opponent to gain psychological momentum.
Calling the foul was simply an effort, within the rules, to prevent his opponent from holding the higher ground and put a damper on his enthusiasm.
It may seem petty to some but if you truly understand the psychological interplay of performance, you will see this situation as nothing more than a controlled response to an aggressive action.
There is no right or wrong here....it's just competition.
If a player who just won a game jumps to the table so quickly that the cue ball is still rolling as they place their cue on the table, then they are making a statement.
Any alpha player would notice this behavior and would be remiss if there was not some response. They may not make issue of it at the time of the occurrence but you can't allow your opponent to gain psychological momentum.
Calling the foul was simply an effort, within the rules, to prevent his opponent from holding the higher ground and put a damper on his enthusiasm.
It may seem petty to some but if you truly understand the psychological interplay of performance, you will see this situation as nothing more than a controlled response to an aggressive action.
There is no right or wrong here....it's just competition.
I agree, this did seem to be what took place in that match during that incident.
I also noticed that Shannon lost his high gear around that time anyway, he doesn't seem to have the mental endurance for rotation focus at that level. Boyes kept the focus regardless of what took place and made the correct choices, very deliberate and precise choices I might add. Shannon needed to shake all of it off and refocus, which he didn't do obviously since he fouled again losing the last game for no reason.
In all of my 35 years on the road hustling and playing in small and big tourneys, I have never,not once,let a moving cball touch my cue after I shot the game winning ball in the hole. NEVER!!
Can anyone guess why I have NEVER let that happen??
Let me explain it to ya...because some will call you on it!!! It's called a rule for a reason!!
The blah blah blahs about it was not close to scratching does not have anything to do with,sorry and I'm sorry to my good friend Shannon Daulton for putting him self in this predicament. John B.
Can anyone guess why I have NEVER let that happen??
Let me explain it to ya...because some will call you on it!!! It's called a rule for a reason!!
The blah blah blahs about it was not close to scratching does not have anything to do with,sorry and I'm sorry to my good friend Shannon Daulton for putting him self in this predicament. John B.