90/90 And The SEE System

SpiderWebComm

SpiderWebComm

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Here's a couple of different ones for you physics wizards to figure out and dedicate your lives to screaming IMPOSSIBLE, HERESY, MATH CAN'T BE PROVED, GOES AGAINST LOGIC, SNAKE OIL SALESMEN, IT'S NOT OBJECTIVE, I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE WORDING, PIVOTS ARE BAD, ETC., ETC, ETC.

Here's a hint: Pool is played on a POOL TABLE that's either 4 1/2' x 9'...4'x8'...or
3 1/2' x 7'. There are 16 balls. The white one is struck with a cue into one of the balls numbered 1 - 15. The object is to knock all the numbered balls into a pocket before your opponent does. The person who makes the most balls or shoots the winning numbered ball in first wins. Pool is not played any other way than on the table.

Pool is not played on a calculator, or with protractors, or with 2D drawings, or requires a numeric and algebraic formula explanation after the balls go into a pocket to validate why or how it went there to get credit for the shot. All it has to do is go in.
If balls are made consistently and at a high rate with a specific system that causes them to go into pockets, it's a valid system and works.

KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT:

http://9090aiming.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dJHZiN01A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjgp2lmYSPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Y28VgvId0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urKYpAC1BEI
 
C'mon guys. Fresh fodder for you and both with PIVOTS. Do the math...prove them wrong...say it doesn't work...it's not logical. Is it only CTE and Stan you want to disparage?

BE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY BASHER!!
 
Come on man, why start a thread like this? There is no need to fish for animosity. Both of these systems are good, they work. Nobody is attacking them, because they do not make big claims. They are sort of under the radar. The 90/90 system did get a couple of criticims on the instructional value of the DVD, but overall most seem pretty happy with it. The SEE system isn't discussed much. Why, I do not know? Maybe the sales were not as large as CTE, or maybe people are just happy with it. I think a bit of both, maybe.

I am aware of some criticism of the SEE, but I see no reason to bring them up in detail now. Allegedly some peope have some trouble with category 2 and 3 shots. I myself use an alternate method to get on these shots, and seem to bypass those problems if they exist. Maybe these people are doing them wrong, not sure. A lot of work went into the material, and I must admit, I did not get through every piece of information in the package, because it's HUGE. I did work with it quite a bit though.
There are some issues that can be raised regarding the mathmatics of it, too, I'm sure our resident physics and mathmatics experts could have a field day with it, but again they don't care because no special claims are being made. It is an aiming system, that's all it claims to be. The only objection that could be raised against it, as far as I can tell, is that it claims that Appleton uses it, while his support of it has been, let's say less than consistent..I don't reall care about that, one way or the other, but others might. Do you REALLY believe that those sports stars are driving a Toyota or KIA:rolleyes:. Nobody does, which is why nobody makes a big fuss when one of those guys pulls up to the club in their Lambo. Appleton may have used the system at one time, or he may still use it on some shots, but surely nobody attributes his huge success to that?

I guess when a system is promoted as much as CTE has been, and continues to be it's bound to attract trolls as well as critcs, but why fuel the fire? Because I see no value in starting threads purely for provocative reasons.

Disclaimer: These are only my opinions, posted for entertainment purposes only.

Ps: Please don't sue me!
 
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When he goes down to one side of the cue ball then sways his body to the center of the cue ball, it just screamed bad fundamentals to me .
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I guess when a system is promoted as much as CTE has been, and continues to be it's bound to attract trolls as well as critcs, but why fuel the fire? Because I see no value in starting threads purely for provocative reasons.

Were you around in the late 90's on RSB or gone through the archives? We can go all the way from that time period through today. CTE was ALWAYS vilified, slammed, dissected...the creators being Hal Houle and Stan have been demeaned, belittled, scorned...and it's users (successful happy ones I might add) have been raked over the coals for being members of a cult who have been brainwashed. THOSE actions have been far greater in number than the promotion of CTE. It isn't even close!

All of the negativity, personal attacks and attacks on the system were started by two men...PATRICK JOHNSON and LOU FIGUEROA in 1997. Imagine that, and here they are still yet as the main instigators and detractors.

Even in a post yesterday, someone who knows NOTHING about CTE and has no clue where to start made a claim that CTE users aren't even using CTE on shots because they revert back to something else. Are you kidding me? It certainly doesn't happen with those who are well versed and have trained themselves to become proficient with the system. .

Ps: Please don't sue me!
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If you want to start being a wise ass wise guy again, we can go back to that stage and I'll be more than happy to accommodate you. Is that what you want? I guess for some individuals neither a real handshake or a symbolic handshake mean anything.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
When he goes down to one side of the cue ball then sways his body to the center of the cue ball, it just screamed bad fundamentals to me .
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Do you mean like the bad fundamentals of Efren and Bustamante when the tip of the cue strikes the cue ball nowhere even close to where it was when they were aligning and first drawing the cue back to start the stroke?

Ron is up in age now but was always known and feared as one of the best players in New York. How do you rank where you are?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
C'mon guys. Fresh fodder for you and both with PIVOTS. Do the math...prove them wrong...say it doesn't work...it's not logical. Is it only CTE and Stan you want to disparage?
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I'm waiting to see what Mr. Johnson has to say about it. If it's okay with him, then it's okay with me. If it's not okay with him and he sends me a pencil again, I'll guess I'll have to get to work on the math.

Jim
 
Jal said:
I'm waiting to see what Mr. Johnson has to say about it. If it's okay with him, then it's okay with me. If it's not okay with him and he sends me a pencil again, I'll guess I'll have to get to work on the math.

Jim
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Since they're both pivot based systems like CTE except for different alignment visuals that don't have much at all to do with linking the shot angle between OB and CB, why wouldn't it be the same bunch of crap as CTE is thought to be?

How do you calculate the math on any pivot based system that doesn't link the shot angle to the pocket with the eyes yet balls go in at an uncanny high percentage by trained and practiced users. How would the math help them make even more? Oh, I know...stop using the system and use CP2CP with adjustments.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
If you want to start being a wise ass wise guy again, we can go back to that stage and I'll be more than happy to accommodate you. Is that what you want? I guess for some individuals neither a real handshake or a symbolic handshake mean anything.
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Because there aren't other systems spamming the forum and making unprovable claims. Heck, some even go so far as to start threads fishing for arguments. Don't let me stop you from arguing this topic by yourself, though. :wave3:
 
Banks said:
Because there aren't other systems spamming the forum and making unprovable claims. Heck, some even go so far as to start threads fishing for arguments. Don't let me stop you from arguing this topic by yourself, though. :wave3:
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I thought you were a real player instead of a keyboard cowboy, I guess I was wrong.
They're provable claims from those who have learned and practiced the system.
You see, real players are the ones who make balls go in the pockets on a pool table.
Not keyboard cowboys trying to get reputations as players from pounding on the computer.

Btw, my post to SP99 which you quoted had to do with the last 3 words of his post which is none of your business.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I thought you were a real player instead of a keyboard cowboy, I guess I was wrong.
They're provable claims from those who have learned and practiced the system.
You see, real players are the ones who make balls go in the pockets on a pool table.
Not keyboard cowboys trying to get reputations as players from pounding on the computer.

Btw, my post to SP99 which you quoted had to do with the last 3 words of his post which is none of your business.
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Yawn. Not getting enough attention lately?

Ps - next time you talk to Darren, ask him about using systems. I already did.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Here's a couple of different ones for you physics wizards to figure out and dedicate your lives to screaming IMPOSSIBLE, HERESY, MATH CAN'T BE PROVED, GOES AGAINST LOGIC, SNAKE OIL SALESMEN, IT'S NOT OBJECTIVE, I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE WORDING, PIVOTS ARE BAD, ETC., ETC, ETC.
Here's a hint: Pool is played on a POOL TABLE that's either 4 1/2' x 9'...4'x8'...or
3 1/2' x 7'. There are 16 balls. The white one is struck with a cue into one of the balls numbered 1 - 15. The object is to knock all the numbered balls into a pocket before your opponent does. The person who makes the most balls or shoots the winning numbered ball in first wins. Pool is not played any other way than on the table.
Pool is not played on a calculator, or with protractors, or with 2D drawings, or requires a numeric and algebraic formula explanation after the balls go into a pocket to validate why or how it went there to get credit for the shot. All it has to do is go in.
If balls are made consistently and at a high rate with a specific system that causes them to go into pockets, it's a valid system and works.
KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT:
http://9090aiming.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dJHZiN01A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjgp2lmYSPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Y28VgvId0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urKYpAC1BEI
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Excellent Post.
Why aren't these same guys on here( who beat up on Stan and CTE) letting loose with the same things concerning all of these other methods. (which include things like pivots, aiming off to the side, using shadows of the pool stick, stepping into the shot, etc. etc. etc.?)
I think maybe it is because CTE "isn't supposed to happen" and it just burns their butts that it IS happening and they're not a part of it.
Stan addresses this very clearly in his video about "not supposed to happen" on youtube.
If what you've said about them hanging around here for 18 years and bashing the CTE procedure is accurate, (and I have no reason to think you'd lie about such a thing) that leads me to think they're eaten up with OCD and borderline psychosis.
 
GoldenFlash said:
Excellent Post.
Why aren't these same guys on here( who beat up on Stan and CTE) letting loose with the same things concerning all of these other methods. (which include things like pivots, aiming off to the side, using shadows of the pool stick, stepping into the shot, etc. etc. etc.?)
I think maybe it is because CTE "isn't supposed to happen" and it just burns their butts that it IS happening and they're not a part of it.
Stan addresses this very clearly in his video about "not supposed to happen" on youtube.
If what you've said about them hanging around here for 18 years and bashing the CTE procedure is accurate, (and I have no reason to think you'd lie about such a thing) that leads me to think they're eaten up with OCD and borderline psychosis.
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It wasn't until the daily or hourly barrage of cte posts in the main forum. Never seen another system do that, nor have i seen one suggest that many pro players use it without knowing.
 
GoldenFlash said:
Excellent Post.
Why aren't these same guys on here( who beat up on Stan and CTE) letting loose with the same things concerning all of these other methods. (which include things like pivots, aiming off to the side, using shadows of the pool stick, stepping into the shot, etc. etc. etc.?)
I think maybe it is because CTE "isn't supposed to happen" and it just burns their butts that it IS happening and they're not a part of it.
Stan addresses this very clearly in his video about "not supposed to happen" on youtube.
If what you've said about them hanging around here for 18 years and bashing the CTE procedure is accurate, (and I have no reason to think you'd lie about such a thing) that leads me to think they're eaten up with OCD and borderline psychosis.
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Because most give instruction on how they do it. Things they dont say... center pocket system... you will be able to pull off magic with a curtain ...works only with 2x1 tables ....saying pros use it without knowing it,..will straighten your stroke...its a professional aiming system...no adjusting....no feel...they also dont need to have pro or great players attached to it to prove it works....10,000,000 or more post to help people... they also dont have a gang that comes after you if you disagree with them....5000 experts at it, that don't no why it works, and there's probably more. :smile:

BTW...Do you think they'll ever come up with an aiming system that catches fish? Rumor has it, there's one out there. :smile:
 
8pack said:
Because most give instruction on how they do it. Things they dont say... center pocket system... you will be able to pull off magic with a curtain ...works only with 2x1 tables ....saying pros use it without knowing it,..will straighten your stroke...its a professional aiming system...no adjusting....no feel...they also dont need to have pro or great players attached to it to prove it works....10,000,000 or more post to help people... they also dont have a gang that comes after you if you disagree with them....5000 experts at it, that don't no why it works, and there's probably more. :smile:
BTW...Do you think they'll ever come up with an aiming system that catches fish? Rumor has it, there's one out there. :smile:
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FINGER UP- Delusional.jpg
You are lost as a goose in the woods. Too bad.
 
GoldenFlash said:
Excellent Post.
Why aren't these same guys on here( who beat up on Stan and CTE) letting loose with the same things concerning all of these other methods. (which include things like pivots, aiming off to the side, using shadows of the pool stick, stepping into the shot, etc. etc. etc.?)

Great observation and although certain individuals in this thread thought I started it to create a firestorm blasting 90/90 and the SEE System, I knew with close to 100% certainty nothing would be posted by the usual cast of characters who attack CTE even though there are certain similarities and I wanted to prove it with their non-response.

I think maybe it is because CTE "isn't supposed to happen" and it just burns their butts that it IS happening and they're not a part of it.

No, it's because their only target is and has been CTE, Hal Houle, and now Stan which started 18 years ago. They could care less about 90/90 or the SEE System. If anybody isn't convinced about their motivations at this point spanning almost 2 decades, they either have blinders on or are a part of the Johnson/Figueroa gang.

If what you've said about them hanging around here for 18 years and bashing the CTE procedure is accurate, (and I have no reason to think you'd lie about such a thing) that leads me to think they're eaten up with OCD and borderline psychosis.
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It's a fact, all of which can be found and verified in RSB archives. Their crap is all down in writing.

What really frosts Pat Johnson and Lou Figueora's butts is that Hal Houle thought they were idiots from the beginning and never shared what the complete information was about with them personally or on the website. Both are also know-it-alls about pool and will attack anything or any person who presents something they don't find acceptable. Lou has laid waste to Geno's method for finding eye alignment, Freddy the Beard's methods for banking (before and after he died), CJ Wiley's fundamentals and TOI, and some others I'm leaving out.

Pat Johnson does it with anybody and everybody for the most part mainly because he wants to be the "go to person for everything pool" as the final word even although he isn't certified as an instructor by any recognized pool organization, doesn't give professional lessons, is a C player and no better than a B player at his best on "hot" days, doesn't gamble, nor has ever played in any tournaments of consequence.

The only bad part for him is his best buddy Dave Alciatore Ph.D. has surpassed him with the title by setting up his own website with DVDs and other material as the "go to person" leaving PJ as nothing more than what he's always been...a pool forum big mouth negative troll. Without CTE, Hal, Stan, and users to bash he'd be very much muted from constantly repeating the same facts about deflection, squirt, CIT, and other physics related areas in his charts that are meant to dazzle newbies.

But the real topper to all of it is if they conceded anything positive about CTE (forget that it works as stated) it would mean they were wrong for the last 18 years and neither one of their massive egos would ever be able to withstand an admission like that. If they don't get banned, they'll be doing it forever as long as there's a forum for them to use as their sandbox.

[/As you can see, both of them have been back at it doing their "thing" the last few days including today. It never stops. You think they have borderline psychosis? LMAO. How about FULL BLOWN!!
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Great observation and although certain individuals in this thread thought I started it to create a firestorm blasting 90/90 and the SEE System, I knew with close to 100% certainty nothing would be posted by the usual cast of characters who attack CTE even though there are certain similarities and I wanted to prove it with their non-response.

I think maybe it is because CTE "isn't supposed to happen" and it just burns their butts that it IS happening and they're not a part of it.

No, it's because their only target is and has been CTE, Hal Houle, and now Stan which started 18 years ago. They could care less about 90/90 or the SEE System. If anybody isn't convinced about their motivations at this point spanning almost 2 decades, they either have blinders on or are a part of the Johnson/Figueroa gang.

It's a fact, all of which can be found and verified in RSB archives. Their crap is all down in writing.

What really frosts Pat Johnson and Lou Figueora's butts is that Hal Houle thought they were idiots from the beginning and never shared what the complete information was about with them personally or on the website. Both are also know-it-alls about pool and will attack anything or any person who presents something they don't find acceptable. Lou has laid waste to Geno's method for finding eye alignment, Freddy the Beard's methods for banking (before and after he died), CJ Wiley's fundamentals and TOI, and some others I'm leaving out.

Pat Johnson does it with anybody and everybody for the most part mainly because he wants to be the "go to person for everything pool" as the final word even although he isn't certified as an instructor by any recognized pool organization, doesn't give professional lessons, is a C player and no better than a B player at his best on "hot" days, doesn't gamble, nor has ever played in any tournaments of consequence.

The only bad part for him is his best buddy Dave Alciatore Ph.D. has surpassed him with the title by setting up his own website with DVDs and other material as the "go to person" leaving PJ as nothing more than what he's always been...a pool forum big mouth negative troll. Without CTE, Hal, Stan, and users to bash he'd be very much muted from constantly repeating the same facts about deflection, squirt, CIT, and other physics related areas in his charts that are meant to dazzle newbies.

But the real topper to all of it is if they conceded anything positive about CTE (forget that it works as stated) it would mean they were wrong for the last 18 years and neither one of their massive egos would ever be able to withstand an admission like that. If they don't get banned, they'll be doing it forever as long as there's a forum for them to use as their sandbox.

[/As you can see, both of them have been back at it doing their "thing" the last few days including today. It never stops. You think they have borderline psychosis? LMAO. How about FULL BLOWN!!
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lol

But we're the psychotics.

pj
chgo
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Doubtful there would be a shrink in the country who would think you were sane after 18 years of stalking with daily harassing posts about the same subject. (and others)
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Less sane than those arguing the irrational side for 18 years? Hmm... who could that be?

pj
chgo
 
GoldenFlash said:
If what you've said about them hanging around here for 18 years and bashing the CTE procedure is accurate, (and I have no reason to think you'd lie about such a thing) that leads me to think they're eaten up with OCD and borderline psychosis.
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Pat contributes a ton of very useful stuff to this forum, and has for years. Bashing CTE is only a sideline.
 
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