Get rid of jump cues for Mosconi Cup

KMRUNOUT said:
So-so I think.

The measle ball is not lighter. It weighs pretty damn close to the object balls. It may be heavier or lighter, based on the tolerances. And which set you use it with.

An oversized bar ball does not have a chunk of metal in the middle. It is intended to be used with a ball return system, and the way it is distinguished from a numbered ball by the table is its larger size. The magnetic balls you are thinking of tend to be the same size and weight (within the crappy tolerances of those ball sets).

I think what John was referring to though was differences between standard cue balls. For example, the red circle ball is a different composition than, say, the blue circle centennial ball. The red circle jumps like crazy.

I've never tried jumping with Snooker balls, but I bet it is very hard to hit the spot you are trying to hit with your jump cue tip.

John didn't mention, but the cloth makes a huge difference as well.

KMRUNOUT
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You just lost every shred of credibility with the comment about being able to contact the necessary point on a snooker ball with a jump cue tip. JB makes more sense than you.

You need to look up the tip diameter posts regarding contact points. Tip diameter makes no difference as to striking the contact point necessary.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
If I change Ko's jump cue tip to a standard Moori, he can't make 80% of the jump shots he currently makes. That's fact. If you lose that much "skill" by changing a tip, it's the equipment making the shot possible, not the player's skill.

Want facts? Johnny Archer was lethal with the early leather tipped jump cue. 15 years later, he's able to play jump shots he couldn't play in the 80s and 90s. His skills hadn't changed. His jump prop had.

Can hardly wait to hear why I'm wrong this time. Cooper?
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Shawn, I've learned something in this thread. Forming a valid logical argument is a skill unto itself. This is a skill that many seem to believe they have some aptitude for. I'm sure many of us have had the experience of playing pool with people you don't know in a bar. Their understanding of what a "good player" is is limited. They simply haven't "studied" pool, they may not know pool at all beyond their barroom. If Efren Reyes walked in an put his coins up on the table, no one would have any idea. Back when I was a C player, I swear I've been accused of being a Pro. It was hard not to laugh out loud when I heard this. Those people just didn't know.

What I'm getting at is this: I have little doubt you believe you are forming a valid argument. (I wonder if you recognize the distinction between "valid" and "true', or "valid" and a good idea.) In any case, based on what you have said so far, while I feel extremely confident in my ability to tell you what errors you have made in your reasoning, I do not think that you will "get" my explanation no matter how carefully I explain it. So I will stop talking to you in this thread. If you *genuinely* want to learn about why your posts do not constitute a valid argument, I will be happy to explain this to you, but I kinda think a pm might be a better place for that.

Best of luck to you arguing with John (who I'm pretty sure knows what a valid logical argument is). You're gonna need some weight in this one...

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Shawn, I've learned something in this thread. Forming a valid logical argument is a skill unto itself. This is a skill that many seem to believe they have some aptitude for. I'm sure many of us have had the experience of playing pool with people you don't know in a bar. Their understanding of what a "good player" is is limited. They simply haven't "studied" pool, they may not know pool at all beyond their barroom. If Efren Reyes walked in an put his coins up on the table, no one would have any idea. Back when I was a C player, I swear I've been accused of being a Pro. It was hard not to laugh out loud when I heard this. Those people just didn't know.

What I'm getting at is this: I have little doubt you believe you are forming a valid argument. (I wonder if you recognize the distinction between "valid" and "true', or "valid" and a good idea.) In any case, based on what you have said so far, while I feel extremely confident in my ability to tell you what errors you have made in your reasoning, I do not think that you will "get" my explanation no matter how carefully I explain it. So I will stop talking to you in this thread. If you *genuinely* want to learn about why your posts do not constitute a valid argument, I will be happy to explain this to you, but I kinda think a pm might be a better place for that.

Best of luck to you arguing with John (who I'm pretty sure knows what a valid logical argument is). You're gonna need some weight in this one...

KMRUNOUT
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5 minutes til Wopner....
You're a very good driver....

KM...again, your comment about being able to hit a snooker ball in the right place was laughable. Florian has done jump shots with a golf ball. Managed to hit the right contact point. Btw...golf balls are smaller than snooker balls. Try forming a logical argument around that. Then you can point out to me how to make a valid argument.
 
JB Cases said:
I am reminded of Inigo Montoya's famous line, "you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIP6EwqMEoE
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Love that movie lol. I am sensitive to the Sheldon Cooper comment. I have been referred to as Sheldon on many occasions. The basis for that character is that he is highly intelligent, pretty much in a different league than everyone else, and he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings when they are shown to be completely wrong.

As long as the first part of the character fits, I can live with the second part. People are adults and its up to them to get right with the truth of reality. If you are wrong, I point it out, and then you get and at me for pointing it out, well, you are most likely an idiot. I guess the logic is that a happy idiot is better than an insulted aware idiot.

Lol.

KMRUNOUT
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Lol. He's a theoretical physicist. I guess you don't get the internal humour about him being "right" most of the time. And actually, all of Sheldon's major theories on the show have been proven wrong. You should really watch the show.
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Shawn, you clearly believe you are a smart guy. You probably believe this post is something other than a disjointed collection of nearly unrelated statements, most of which are false.

Define "internal humor" as it pertains to this show and topic.

Sheldon's career in the show is irrelevant to this discussion. He is factually correct almost all the time. He is not always nice about making this known to others, often others who are in the process shown to be wrong or stupid.

You do get that it is a fictional show? And a fictional character? You realize that neither Sheldon Copper, or the actor who plays him, is an actual expert in the field of theoretical physics?

I've seen every episode, and I'm quite certain that your Sheldon Cooper reference is off here. If you care to explain your use of the reference, I'd be delighted to read that.

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Love that movie lol. I am sensitive to the Sheldon Cooper comment. I have been referred to as Sheldon on many occasions. The basis for that character is that he is highly intelligent, pretty much in a different league than everyone else, and he doesn't seem to care about people's feelings when they are shown to be completely wrong.

As long as the first part of the character fits, I can live with the second part. People are adults and its up to them to get right with the truth of reality. If you are wrong, I point it out, and then you get and at me for pointing it out, well, you are most likely an idiot. I guess the logic is that a happy idiot is better than an insulted aware idiot.

Lol.

KMRUNOUT
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Boy Km, you don't think much of yourself do you (tongue planted firmly in cheek)?
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
You just lost every shred of credibility with the comment about being able to contact the necessary point on a snooker ball with a jump cue tip. JB makes more sense than you.

You need to look up the tip diameter posts regarding contact points. Tip diameter makes no difference as to striking the contact point necessary.
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Thankfully the value of credibility with you has been shown in this thread to be worth next to nothing, so I'm not the slightest bit upset to hear I lost credibility with you. Honestly, I think it is a good sign for me.

Who said anything about tip diameter? We are comparing a snooker ball to a pool ball. A snooker ball, you may be aware, is smaller. So let me ask...is it easier to hit a particular spot (relative to size and center) on a basketball, or a pea?

It *is* harder to hit the spot you wish on a snooker ball than a pool ball. That is a matter of fact. If you find something in the "tip diameter posts" that contradicts this, I will review it and my opinion on the matter.

KMRUNOUT
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
5 minutes til Wopner....
You're a very good driver....

KM...again, your comment about being able to hit a snooker ball in the right place was laughable. Florian has done jump shots with a golf ball. Managed to hit the right contact point. Btw...golf balls are smaller than snooker balls. Try forming a logical argument around that. Then you can point out to me how to make a valid argument.
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Shawn, seriously, you really are not representing yourself very well.

I *can't* form a logical argument around what you say because it is nothing that remotely resembles logic.

Saying my comment was "laughable", but not offering the slightest explanation why you think so...well yes you have definitely generated a laugh.

What Florian has done is irrelevant. If you tell me that someone else has done a jump shot with a marble, or a BB...it is still irrelevant. Let me ask you...is the target for your jump cue tip bigger or smaller on a BB, compared to a # cushion ball? Is it bigger or smaller? Generally speaking, is it easier to hit a large target, or a small target. Now, if you want to show yourself as an intelligent logical person, try answering this paragraph with just two words: Here you can just fill in the blanks: "The target for your jump cue tip on a 3 cushion ball is ________ than the target for your jump cue tip on a BB, and it is ___________ to hit a large target than a small target.

If your reply to this post constitutes your filling in the blanks of this sentence, I will have the first inkling of respect for your capability to be logical. You can of course go on after and say whatever nonsense you want.

KMRUNOUT
 
Geeze

It all gives me a head ache. If the majority of the pros felt that strongly about jump cues then they would disappear from pro tournaments.

I don't jump or break like a pro so I would be ok if jump and break cues went away. Show up with one playing cue and a spare shaft for it and shoot away is what I say.

All cues should be between 60 to 64 inches and weigh between 19 and 21 ounces. Any thing else should be illegal.

Raise the darn tables up 4 to 6 inches for us tall old guys with a big gut. If shorter players have trouble reaching a shot they can stand on a box like Efren did when he was a kid.

All playing and equipment rules should be tailored to my game so they benefit me.
 
This is pointless.
The qualifying tournaments to make it to the Cup team allow jump cues.
Let's just accept the fact that jumping skills is another skill set these pros have to learn.
The Taiwanese monsters jump like they're just shooting normally.
SVB jumps like a madman as well.
The Euros have learned it quite well too.

BIH rules created this monster. If they allowed pushouts, things would be different.
 
There are two things I am now absolutely sure of

1. Kicking is easier than jumping.

2. I'm glad the Chevy Chase show is no longer on TV.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Thankfully the value of credibility with you has been shown in this thread to be worth next to nothing, so I'm not the slightest bit upset to hear I lost credibility with you. Honestly, I think it is a good sign for me.

Who said anything about tip diameter? We are comparing a snooker ball to a pool ball. A snooker ball, you may be aware, is smaller. So let me ask...is it easier to hit a particular spot (relative to size and center) on a basketball, or a pea?

It *is* harder to hit the spot you wish on a snooker ball than a pool ball. That is a matter of fact. If you find something in the "tip diameter posts" that contradicts this, I will review it and my opinion on the matter.

KMRUNOUT
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Hate to tell you this....but the centre of any object is the exact same size. The circumference of two balls will be different sizes, but the originating point of the radius, otherwise known as the "centre" of the "ball", is the exact same size on a basketball, a tennis ball, or a golf ball.

My math degree tells me that. Next......
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Meanwhile, we forgot about this shot years ago.

$8....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYo8fpUks0
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Efren would have missed than on a Diamond table b/c it straightens out after the second rail. :D

Efren hates the jump cue . He flat out told be at the Bike, those stuff should be illegal . That was the first tournament I saw him use a jumper . They banned them in the PBT tournaments . You were allowed two full cues.

But, things have changed.
The phenolic tip was outlawed by BCA one time.

I can soak an elk master in epoxy and it will be almost as hard as phenolic.
 
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