Spin applied during contact

Patrick Johnson said:
dr_dave said:
actually try the proposed and demonstrated test at a pool table
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Or have somebody you think is a skilled swooper try it.
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Good addendum!

Again, for those who want to try the simple test, or have somebody else try it, the procedure is clearly described and demonstrated in the following article and video:

"Swoop Experiment" (BD, August, 2015)

NV F.2 - Swoop Stroke Experiment - Can swooping create extra spin on the cue ball?

For those who don't want to watch the entire video, the explanation and demonstration of the referenced test starts a the 6:34 point in the video.

I look forward to seeing what everybody finds.

Regards,
Dave
 
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ENGLISH! said:
So Dave,

You will write out that 167 word explanation & reasons why you will not simply do us ALL a favor & give your definition of exactly what you think a swipe/swoop stroke actually is.

Interesting.

Best Wishes,
Rick
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I'd say this is the pot calling the kettle black but Dave presented links, evidence, and has put effort into his points. So its just you being diversionary.
 
Drop The Rock said:
I don't think earl is doing anything special other than compensating for squirt and not being made of steel. Hitting a round object at that speed will force the cue to deflect off of the center line.
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Perhaps...

but controlling that direction of 'defection' when hitting the center or even on the opposite side of center...

Like Ms Crimi said, 'It takes timing'.
 
Here's my definition from the Challenge thread:

What I mean by it is any purposeful* motion of the tip during contact that isn't parallel with the cue's long axis. How it's done doesn't matter.

pj
chgo

*Not the normal off-line tip motion caused by the rotating CB.
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Drop The Rock said:
I'd say this is the pot calling the kettle black but Dave presented links, evidence, and has put effort into his points. So its just you being diversionary.
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So you compare typing out a simple definition to doing a video production just because you & a few others want one.

I'd probably be accused of using a trick CB.

Go do what Sloppy Pockets did & what Ms. Crimi suggested...

Experiment!

I guess you don't see all that was done but a simple definition is too much... but typing subsequent posts is not too much.

I also find THAT Interesting.

Would you mind tell me how old you are?
 
Here's my definition from the Challenge thread:
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What I mean by it is any purposeful* motion of the tip during contact that isn't parallel with the cue's long axis. How it's done doesn't matter.

pj
chgo

*Not the normal off-line tip motion caused by the rotating CB
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ENGLISH! said:
Do you thnk That is what was done in Dr. Dave's testing?
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I think that's what's done (or intended) by anybody who swoops - it's a generic description that covers all possibilities. If you don't think so all you have to do is describe a swoop stroke that doesn't fit that description.

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
I think that's what's done (or intended) by anybody who swoops - it's a generic description that covers all possibilities. If you don't think so all you have to do is describe a swoop stroke that doesn't fit that description.

pj
chgo
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No, I can certainly agree with that definition, but do you think that that is what was done in Dr. Dave's testing?
 
ENGLISH! said:
No, I can certainly agree with that definition, but do you think that that is what was done in Dr. Dave's testing?
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Do you think the tip was moving parallel with the stick's center line in Dave's swoop strokes? If it wasn't, then it fits my definition.

pj
chgo
 
Video yourself then and show us.

Of course it is not the same exact shot, I play mine further apart, but I am still. using inside english almost to the miscue distance as he is.

Oh yes one thing is the same no swoop.

Would you like to see one like his?

ENGLISH! said:
That is no where near what Earl does & the fact that you do not even know that is very very telling.
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Tony_in_MD:
No swoop about it.
This is from an old broken down player with diabetes and a heart condition, who still plays the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZHZ2291C5o
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ENGLISH!:
That is no where near what Earl does & the fact that you do not even know that is very very telling.
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It's almost identical with Earl's shot, only more difficult with the CB/OB three times farther apart.

What's telling (as if we need to be told again) is that you don't see that.

pj
chgo
 
Tony_in_MD said:
Video yourself then and show us.

Of course it is not the same exact shot, I play mine further apart, but I am still. using inside english almost to the miscue distance as he is.

Oh yes one thing is the same no swoop.

Would you like to see one like his?
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For you to even put that up & suggest that it was the same thing that Earl was doing I think indicates that you don't realize what it is that he is doing.

Do you need me to like to see one for you to post one just like Earls?

Did I say that you can't do one? I have no idea what you can or can't do.

How long do we all have to wait to see you do one just like what Earl does.

Do you know what it is that he's doing?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
The angle of the tip's motion can't be described as "x mm off" anything. Do you have even any idea what we're talking about?

pj
chgo
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The straight center line of the cue stick is what you said, correct?

That's a moving cue, correct?

If the tips move in any direction that is not in line with the straight line movement of the stick would mean that the stick is NOT moving in a straight line.

This teeth pulling & crap is why I have no inclination to get into your games.
 
Give me your name and address and I will show you one in person.

Bring plenty of cash, I ain't cheap.



ENGLISH! said:
For you to even put that up & suggest that it was the same thing that Earl was doing I think indicates that you don't realize what it is that he is doing.

Do you need me to like to see one for you to post one just like Earls?

Did I say that you can't do one? I have no idea what you can or can't do.

How long do we all have to wait to see you do one just like what Earl does.

Do you know what it is that he's doing?
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