Nope...wrong all the way around.
is this an GC2?
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Nope...wrong all the way around.
Gcii
I recently fell into a pile of shit and found a GCII in white and almost mint condition. I'm still staring at it everyday! You can look under the ball box and see if the letters/numbers code is still visible! Then call Brunswick and speak to a sales rep who will confirm what you have based on the code! Hope this helps.
I recently fell into a pile of shit and found a GCII in white and almost mint condition. I'm still staring at it everyday! You can look under the ball box and see if the letters/numbers code is still visible! Then call Brunswick and speak to a sales rep who will confirm what you have based on the code! Hope this helps.
GC2 never came in white.
The plastic name plate was changed to the metal name plate long before the GC2 came out in fact, I have GC rails with the figure 8 nut plates in them and the metal name plate.
Yes, I had an early GC I with the figure 8 plates, which I purchase used back in the '70s, and it too had a metal Brunswick plate on the head rail.
In my area, probably 90% of the Gold Crowns that I work on are Gold Crown I's.. Only two of the tables that I've worked on have had the plastic name plate. Almost all of them have the figure 8 mounting plates.
I guess that's just an indicator of when billiards was popular in this area..
I guess that's just an indicator of when billiards was popular in this area..
If this is true that means my table which I have been calling a GCII is really a GCI. It was originally purchased new from a Brunswick dealer in 1972, it had white rail blinds, (still has the plastic gulley blinds on it also even though they are a PIA), it has segmented rail blind extrusions, (doohickies mount the blinds to the rails, or hinges as I think RKC calls them), it has the captured nut rail fasteners, not the figure 8 plates, but it looks like the most definite thing that would make mine a GCI is that it was originally equipped with Superspeed Monarchs, according to the link GCIIs had regular Superspeeds.
I suppose the most definitive way to differentiate between a GCI and GCII would be whether it has Superspeed Monarchs or regular Superspeeds, would this be a correct assumption??
According to the Brunswick GC comparative chart, the GC II had dark, rosewood-like stain on all wood surfaces - no white or pastel colored paints would appear on a GCII.
I think that is one of the best indication based on the brunswick charts and RKC.
If it was painted, its a GC1 regardless or nameplate, leg levelers etc etc etc
If it was stained its a GC2.
This was really the reason I started this thread. I have heard about so many GC2's over the years, and based on the facts, there are very very few true GC2s out there. After all, 12 years of production on the GC1 and only 2 years of the GC2.
Ian
Are you sure the chart that has been floating around AZB is from Brunswick? Anyone can make the chart and through Brunswick on it. The GC 1 & 2 has been highly debated here for years. Even experts on here don't know for sure what they are talking about. The reason being there are few who worked on tables in the 60's and early 70's. And the ones who may have probally did not have the fore thought to write down every change and when. My old friend the late Al Conte would have answered all of the questions on Gold Crowns or even Brunswick in general. For now I think everyone is guessing and whoever types loudest thinks they are right.
A friend of mine had a GCII that was stained, which he purchased new,
every other GCII that I have owned, played on, worked on or slept on, installed, or moved, was painted.
Dale
I can not speak of the actual originality because the room and tables had been there long before I was born but one room I came up in had 8 white GC 2's that were supposedly all origonal. The tables looked exactly as you described yours.
Not at all. In fact, almost every set of Gold Crown rails that I've worked on have had very secure attachment of the cushions. So secure that, often times, it is difficult to remove the cushions without taking some wood with them. Of course, this usually doesn't bother me, because I modify the subrails for new cushions anyway.
Here's an interesting source for documents on Brunswick tables, including some pictures, specifications documents, and installation manuals: http://www.mediafire.com/pooltablemanuals
[Note -- the comparison chart I mentioned earlier is one of these documents.]
[Note -- the comparison chart I mentioned earlier is one of these documents.]
I'll be posting the full pictures of two of these GC'S later tomorrow in the main forum. Not only did I rebuilt the tables from top to bottom, I also redesigned the rail blinds to be bolted on so I don't have to mount them with the extruded hinge molding anymore, skirts AND ball box all bolt up now with 3/8"×16×2" bolts. So now, they're not GC1's, as nothing left on them has anything to do with the old design, and certainly not the 39 point leveling system, or the 30 rail bolts.
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