Almost got in a fight during a $200 game

You wrote that is not call pocket, but you must call caroms.

In that case you are wrong for sharing him. It doesn't matter "where he's going". If he fouls, call the foul and dispute it. Otherwise, shut up and let him shoot. You know he ain't running out anyway. Maybe I'm missing something.

This stuff makes me grateful to have a home table.
 
There is little I find more distasteful in pool than the ridiculous idea of announcing whether you are going to play off a ball or play it "clean" making the game more skillful.

There is also nothing I love more than being asked to gamble with these rules. I believe I can defeat every player alive that embraces this bullshit.

I'll do it for the easy cheese every time.:smile:

JC
 
You wrote that is not call pocket, but you must call caroms.
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No, the official rules the player must call all shots. But it's not strictly enforced and some don't call obvious shots. This was the only guy who never called anything. He felt like he's so good that he doesn't have to call shots like those pros on youtube. I'm a bit of a control freak so I learned my lesson. Let him make a slop who cares if I'm that good I'll win anyway. The shot that caused the drama had 3 pockets that he could have gone into depending on how he was gonna break the cluster up with the CB or he could have played a safety. The CB was on the rail, it was a really funny angle so it was really hard to tell where he was going. By call pocket I meant it doesnt matter if it's a caroom or a clean shot, you know the way pros play. This turney was not call pocket but call carooms as well because some girls who enter only make slops.
 
If it's not obvious you must declare a ball and a pocket. Asking a player to do so is not sharking, it is only a means to avoid further dispute. However if you let him shoot without calling it, and the shot is not obvious, you can then make him aware of his rule violation and take your turn. Since this was a tournament and there were people watching you most certainly would have been backed up, as no one else could have heard a call that was never made. In any case, no one is ever right for acting in such an aggressive manner as he and his friend did over a game of pool, especially when he was in error.
 
If it's not obvious you must declare a ball and a pocket. Asking a player to do so is not sharking, it is only a means to avoid further dispute. However if you let him shoot without calling it, and the shot is not obvious, you can then make him aware of his rule violation and take your turn. Since this was a tournament and there were people watching you most certainly would have been backed up, as no one else could have heard a call that was never made. In any case, no one is ever right for acting in such an aggressive manner as he and his friend did over a game of pool, especially when he was in error.
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Thank you! I was hoping someone would say that. I also found out that he's been talking behind my back how I'm the luckiest pool player of all time and not in his league. Everyone gets a bad roll or a little luck but I won because of better CB control and planning out the rack better. Whatever, haters gonna hate :)
 
Mustardeer said:
Not saying I was right actually curious who you guys think was right:

So I'm playing this guy for $200 ( 8 ball )
We're both C or B players but both think we're the sh*t :)
I eliminated him at the last tourney so he hated me already.

So this guy never calls his shots. I always call my shots. Also the rules of this tourney are not call pocket: you have to say if you're going clean or of another ball. Anyway a few times this dude is aiming at something I have no idea where he's going so I go ( politely ) "where're you going?". He just ignores the question. Finally he gets a bad roll, cb on rail, he's aiming into the cluster. I get uncomfortable bc this is the sort of dude who would pocket a slop and claim he meant that. ( We both still miss shots we're not pros ). I don't really see a safety there so i say a bit louder "where're you going?". He gets up and gets in my face "why the f*ck are you talking while I'm down on my shot". His friend gets in my face too and is screaming. I'm like it takes 2 seconds just call your shot it's not a big deal. Things escalate, the entire place is watching the scene now. He misses. I call my shot he's like where're you going I'm like I f*cking called it twice watch the game.. Then I ran out and eliminated him. So everybody took my side because everyone hates the guy. We're all regulars and he's good but by far the cockiest player there and acts like he's a pro.. But now that I think about it he had a point, had it been a pro match he would have been right. So who was right? This was on a barbox at a bar by the way not a league.
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Doesn't matter who was right or wrong, it's in the past.

What matters is that next time you play him, if you ever do, make sure he agrees to both players calling EVERY shot or you won't play him.

That's what I do and I've not had any problems.

Problem solved.
 
Doesn't matter who was right or wrong, it's in the past.
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Good point. I'm surprised this is not a common issue. It seems that pros rarely call their shots so at some point people transition from calling every shot to not calling most shots. But now that I think about it most pro matches I study are rotation games maybe they call their shots when they play 8 ball.
 
Sounds like you tried to shark him 2 or 3 times and finally got him when it counted , he should have told you to shut up while he was shooting the first time you said something.
Then the third time wouldn't have happened.
Jmo
 
Mustardeer said:
Not saying I was right actually curious who you guys think was right:

So I'm playing this guy for $200 ( 8 ball )
We're both C or B players but both think we're the sh*t :)
I eliminated him at the last tourney so he hated me already.

So this guy never calls his shots. I always call my shots. Also the rules of this tourney are not call pocket: you have to say if you're going clean or of another ball. Anyway a few times this dude is aiming at something I have no idea where he's going so I go ( politely ) "where're you going?". He just ignores the question. Finally he gets a bad roll, cb on rail, he's aiming into the cluster. I get uncomfortable bc this is the sort of dude who would pocket a slop and claim he meant that. ( We both still miss shots we're not pros ). I don't really see a safety there so i say a bit louder "where're you going?". He gets up and gets in my face "why the f*ck are you talking while I'm down on my shot". His friend gets in my face too and is screaming. I'm like it takes 2 seconds just call your shot it's not a big deal. Things escalate, the entire place is watching the scene now. He misses. I call my shot he's like where're you going I'm like I f*cking called it twice watch the game.. Then I ran out and eliminated him. So everybody took my side because everyone hates the guy. We're all regulars and he's good but by far the cockiest player there and acts like he's a pro.. But now that I think about it he had a point, had it been a pro match he would have been right. So who was right? This was on a barbox at a bar by the way not a league.
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From what you've written, he's right. I'm sure if he said his side of the story, he'd be even more right.

Done.
 
Mustardeer said:
$20 buy-in $200 first place. Double elimination. We were playing for 1st place so technically it was a $200 game. No side action. Not a race just a game. Very rarely people break and run out there, mostly center ball bangers and C players.
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So, it was a race to 1 game, double elimination, correct?

I would never say anything to a player when they are down on their shot. If he forgot to call the shot, and it ends up going into a pocket that was not obvious, then you have a good case to call him out on it (that what he made, he was not trying for). I would have just let him shoot the shot, and then talked to him about calling your shots in the future. If he continued to not call his shots, then wait until he is finished shooting, and continue to warn him (if you feel that is the right thing to do), but never say anything to a player, or move near the table while a player is down on their shot. Many things can mess up a players mental focus, so no matter what, never say anything to the player while they are down on their shot. I think it is bad sportsmanship (to do anything that might mess up a players focus when they are down on their shot), and the type of person (or the type of player) the opponent is is besides the point. Do not do anything that you would not want your opponent to do to you. I think that any serious player (that has been playing the game and competing for a good amount of time) should understand what I have said.
 
philly said:
Center ball C bangers? $20 buy in? Where and when is the next tournament?
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I think on the average old bar table, that has a nasty old mud ball, you really need to learn how to play good using center english on the cue ball. But I imagine that is not the reason why they only use center on the cue ball (if they are C players at best). I do think that most C players (and these are C players that take the game seriously) know how to use other types of english , other then center ball english. If it is true that they are just center ball players (bangers), then I would put them in the D category.
 
Mustardeer said:
Ha. There are always 1 or 2 very strong players who show up to pick up the money. Somehow they always lose and never come back. Think about it - you lose 2 games you're out. Not 2 races. 2 games. Anything can happen. It's very easy to win the first 4, 5 games but then you're playing good players. In the finals if you make 1 or 2 mistakes it's over. 2 tourneys ago I won the lag in the finals came up dry on the break and he ran out. It rarely happens there but it happens. I still got a $100 for 2nd place though. Also center ball bangers are very strong mentally. They are always shooting hard shots but they don't miss. If they don't hook themselves they can run out and sometimes come 1st.
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Yeah, in race to 1 (game) bar tournaments (with a good turn out, of at least 16 players), it is very hard to win, no matter how strong you play. SVB could play, and I would not bet on him to win, lol. I have a lot of experience playing in those types of tournaments, and I thought it was really fun and exciting, because you really need to keep your focus and play smart. Can't make any errors, or you may not get back to the table. And I agree that even the center ball bangers can run out at times (I have seen it many times). It always makes me sick though, when I get beat by a banger. They were always a fun time though (at a small dive bar in Evansville IN, with 2 bar tables), because we would always get a 3 ball game going after the tournament (it was a tradition), and I could win some big pots at times, when I could get 2 balls on the break, and a decent shot on the last ball, lol. Anyways, they played APA rules in that tournament, so never any arguments over called shot (because slop counted, except for the 8 ball, which you would mark with a coaster). Your local bar really needs to change their silly "bar pool rules".
 
JC said:
There is little I find more distasteful in pool than the ridiculous idea of announcing whether you are going to play off a ball or play it "clean" making the game more skillful.

There is also nothing I love more than being asked to gamble with these rules. I believe I can defeat every player alive that embraces this bullshit.

I'll do it for the easy cheese every time.:smile:

JC
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I do not think it is worth all of the arguing that might come up in a game with those rules. I imagine that is probably why the APA came up with the "no need to call your shots / slop counts", and only needing to mark your pocket on the 8. It is a good rule for bangers, and no worry about any arguing over exactly how the ball was pocketed (off the rail, off the ball, off the rail again, and off this other ball, and then touching the short rail before the ball finally gets pocketed). Good call. Is that why you love bar rules so much? You are the best at knowing exactly how the object ball is going to get pocketed?
 
TX Poolnut said:
You wrote that is not call pocket, but you must call caroms.

In that case you are wrong for sharing him. It doesn't matter "where he's going". If he fouls, call the foul and dispute it. Otherwise, shut up and let him shoot. You know he ain't running out anyway. Maybe I'm missing something.

This stuff makes me grateful to have a home table.
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This is true. If he only has to call if it doesn't go "clean" then you are sharking asking where he's shooting. That said, having to call off a rail or another ball is asinine and only creates these situations.

Play the situation for what it's worth. If you are the better player, setup a 500 dollar grudge match, money posted. This is how to settle who's Mas Macho.
 
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Mustardeer said:
No, the official rules the player must call all shots. But it's not strictly enforced and some don't call obvious shots. This was the only guy who never called anything. He felt like he's so good that he doesn't have to call shots like those pros on youtube. I'm a bit of a control freak so I learned my lesson. Let him make a slop who cares if I'm that good I'll win anyway. The shot that caused the drama had 3 pockets that he could have gone into depending on how he was gonna break the cluster up with the CB or he could have played a safety. The CB was on the rail, it was a really funny angle so it was really hard to tell where he was going. By call pocket I meant it doesnt matter if it's a caroom or a clean shot, you know the way pros play. This turney was not call pocket but call carooms as well because some girls who enter only make slops.
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That is so silly (I am sorry). I think that BCA rules are good rules (probably the best rules out of any of the other rules), because you only need to call the ball, and the pocket, and 9 times of of 10, it will not be any kind of slop anyways.
 
philly said:
Center ball C bangers? $20 buy in? Where and when is the next tournament?
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come meet me at the school program in north cen louisiana....not long ago i bought in for 20.....had twenty players.....double elim. typical bar rules you have to call the actal shot not the pocket....no biggie

also....lol

if you play safe its auto ball in hand....nothing else gets your opponent ball in hand unless you play safe.....

i told them it was going to make it harder on them.....

races to 1 by the way......

i missed two balls all night lol....

i crushed my enemies, saw them driven before me.......and the lamentation from the women was on point lol:cool:

and dude its hard to be cool and shoot well when it smells like chit becuase a papermill is next door......

talk about Kontry up there lol

-greyghost
 
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