(FAQ) How do you use the tangent line?

ENGLISH! said:
Firstly I was not talking about YOUR stroke in particular & was asking a hypothetical question. You answered it initially & later on in that post.

What kind of mentality is that, to say that if I do not agreed with you then the conversation is over? If I do not worship your pool god then the conversation is over. But that seems to be exactly what very many want here on AZB. Agree with me... or we will bully you into silence or get you banned.

As to the other matter of the 'experiment', you make a statement as to what you think the conclusion is & perhaps I will comment on it.

Best Wishes for ALL.
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There you go with the b word.

What I'm saying is that if you aren't going to give the credit due to the instructor/player I refer to, then the conversation and your response does not matter. Which you still have responded to. The mentality is that if you aren't willing to have an intelligent debate and are going to focus on the credibility of the concrete details I provide, then no further commentary is necessary so to speak.

To be very specific, if you are just going to argue whether or not Charlie Bryant is or was a top professional or instructor at one point in time, then have a nice day.

The point of my answer to your hypothetical questions is you seem to imply (I could be wrong) that learning from a PBIA or SPF or whatever instructor, would be mediocre.
 
ENGLISH! said:
You have no idea, not even a clue as to whether any of the individuals you mentioned, nor yourself, is one iota more intelligent than I am... or not.

A vote of 3 to 1 does not make the 3 correct or right. Not even 100 or more to one.
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Instead of "how do you know I'm not as smart as they are" lets turn it around. What makes you think you are as smart as they are and therefore should be arguing with them without more consideration for the fact that you could be wrong?

As for your intelligence compared to theirs I actually do have a very good idea, as do most other people. They are clearly more intelligent than you, and by a large amount. That isn't an insult. They are more intelligent than the vast majority of us, and by a good margin. In a case like this where the disparity is so large you should be able to see it too like most others can. The fact that you can't is scary. The fact that you can never see when anyone else is more intelligent, ever, is exceptionally scary though.

But sometimes it is hard for people (all of us) to judge the intelligence of those more intelligent than us because we don't have the intelligence to do it (another catch 22). But forget about intelligence. What about knowledge and experience? They clearly have significantly more knowledge and experience (you aren't even in the same universe) on the topic (physics) than you do (and that is according to you by your own admission). So what is your justification for not having more consideration that someone, multiple someones, with a universe more knowledge and experience on the topic you are arguing about might be the ones who are right and you might be the one who is actually wrong?

The only reason I can think of to want to argue with someone with a ton more knowledge and experience on something without giving major consideration that you could be wrong is if you think you are a whole lot more intelligent than they are But you already essentially said in your quoted post above that you don't see any way how you can tell how smart someone is, at least not from forum posts anyway, so that obviously can't be it. So if you don't think you are far smarter than they are (or correct me if you do think you are) then why is it that you aren't even willing to consider that you might be the one who is wrong on the disagreement with someone with substantially more knowledge and experience on the topic?

As you said, on occasion maybe you might not have any reason to believe the other person/s would be right over you (although this isn't even close to being one of those cases). But when you feel that way every single time, you have to know that is a problem. When you never see anyone else as more intelligent than you, ever, and you never see anyone else as more knowledgeable than you about anything, ever, and when you never see anyone else as more experienced than you on anything, ever, well it is then that you know that the problem is with you and your perspective and your grasp of reality.
 
Neil said:
Fran, you may not have asked yourself, and I'm sure many of the older players never have. However, that does not mean that it is not beneficial to do so. You wouldn't believe how many times I have watched video of top players, and said "if they only knew how to do this or that, they would't have gotten in trouble there".

When you need to send the cb down a precise path for a breakout or safety, knowing just how the cb will react is of a tremendous advantage over just guessing. I just don't understand anyone saying that you can't calculate your way through a pool match. I guess some just don't know what they are missing.??
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That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Instead of "how do you know I'm not as smart as they are" lets turn it around. What makes you think you are as smart as they are and therefore should be arguing with them without more consideration for the fact that you could be wrong?

As for your intelligence compared to theirs I actually do have a very good idea, as do most other people. They are clearly more intelligent than you, and by a large amount. That isn't an insult. They are more intelligent than the vast majority of us, and by a good margin. In a case like this where the disparity is so large you should be able to see it too like most others can. The fact that you can't is scary. The fact that you can never see when anyone else is more intelligent, ever, is exceptionally scary though.

But sometimes it is hard for people (all of us) to judge the intelligence of those more intelligent than us because we don't have the intelligence to do it (another catch 22). But forget about intelligence. What about knowledge and experience? They clearly have significantly more knowledge and experience (you aren't even in the same universe) on the topic (physics) than you do (and that is according to you by your own admission). So what is your justification for not having more consideration that someone, multiple someones, with a universe more knowledge and experience on the topic you are arguing about might be the ones who are right and you might be the one who is actually wrong?

The only reason I can think of to want to argue with someone with a ton more knowledge and experience on something without giving major consideration that you could be wrong is if you think you are a whole lot more intelligent than they are But you already essentially said in your quoted post above that you don't see any way how you can tell how smart someone is, at least not from forum posts anyway, so that obviously can't be it. So if you don't think you are far smarter than they are (or correct me if you do think you are) then why is it that you aren't even willing to consider that you might be the one who is wrong on the disagreement with someone with substantially more knowledge and experience on the topic?

As you said, on occasion maybe you might not have any reason to believe the other person/s would be right over you (although this isn't even close to being one of those cases). But when you feel that way every single time, you have to know that is a problem. When you never see anyone else as more intelligent than you, ever, and you never see anyone else as more knowledgeable than you about anything, ever, and when you never see anyone else as more experienced than you on anything, ever, well it is then that you know that the problem is with you and your perspective and your grasp of reality.
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Do you realize how many definitive absolutes you used in that tirade that are not proven & probably never will be proven & are only suppositions with no real support & some of which are just plain out false?

A logical conclusion on a false premise only makes the conclusion logical...

it does NOT make it True.

I don't even know if you are not Mr. Page himself.

We've been here before in a similar situation involving another 'instructor'.

Did you show up here on your own or were you summoned.

I am NOT the one that referred to AZB members as idiots, I think was you that did that when I asked where have you been.

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.

PS I refer you to Fran Crimi's replay to Neil.
 
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Poolplaya9 said:
I agree that with a level cue for all practical purposes a cue ball cannot be hit with overspin top spin. Any overspin that the cue ball has after collision with the object ball is simply a function of how fast it was rolling (some other things like how slick the cloth is, and how full the hit was, whether it was partial or full natural roll, etc, also have an effect). For those that aren't already familiar with this and still believe you can put massive overspin top spin on the cue ball, Mike Page of FargoRate did a good job covering the topic along with a demonstration/experiment in the link below and Dr. Dave likely addresses it on his website as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WzyxhCl0vs

I'm still confused by your statement I quoted though because (assuming the cue ball and object are equal weights and the cue ball is not air born at collision) if any cue ball goes forward of the tangent line after collision I would think we know that it had "collision induced overspin." We know that collision induced top overspin can only have happened if the cue ball was rolling at the time of collision. I guess what is confusing to me is that I'm not sure that "ONLY rolling out of a collision" is possible if it went forward of the tangent line but I may still be misunderstanding you.

As to how/where I've been, I have been ok but take extended breaks from the forums pretty regularly. Life sometimes gets in the way but mostly I can only deal with the idiocy around here for so long before I have to escape it for a while. Wish I was more tolerant of stupidity and ignorance but I'm not.
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ENGLISH! said:
I am NOT the referred to AZB members as idiots, I think was you that did that when I asked where have you been.
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Nowhere did I call you an idiot or even infer you were an idiot, although you do some idiotic things at times like arguing with people that are way smarter and more knowledgeable and experienced with something without even giving the slightest consideration to the fact that maybe just maybe they could be the ones who are right and that you just lack the ability to see it or understand it for whatever the reason.

I will just leave you with the following and leave it at this since I know I am just wasting my time (although I hope that changes and you actually give it some serious and honest thought).

There comes a point in our life where we have to accept that the whole world can't possibly always be wrong every single time. Whether it be on a particular fact of physics such as this disagreement where the majority and certainly all of the most highly credentialed of the people are disagreeing with you, or whether it be something like everybody telling us we are one way and we don't think we are, or whatever it happens to be. The whole world can't always be wrong every last single time and when we always think that they are, no matter how many there were, no matter how credentialed they were, well, like I said, the whole world can't always be wrong and it should tell you something when you think they are.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Nowhere did I call you an idiot or even infer you were an idiot, although you do some idiotic things at times like arguing with people that are way smarter and more knowledgeable and experienced with something without even giving the slightest consideration to the fact that maybe just maybe they could be the ones who are right and that you just lack the ability to see it or understand it for whatever the reason.

I will just leave you with the following and leave it at this since I know I am just wasting my time (although I hope that changes and you actually give it some serious and honest thought).

There comes a point in our life where we have to accept that the whole world can't possibly always be wrong every single time. Whether it be on a particular fact of physics such as this disagreement where the majority and certainly all of the most highly credentialed of the people are disagreeing with you, or whether it be something like everybody telling us we are one way and we don't think we are, or whatever it happens to be. The whole world can't always be wrong every last single time and when we always think that they are, no matter how many there were, no matter how credentialed they were, well, like I said, the whole world can't always be wrong and it should tell you something when you think they are.
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You're like a lawyer that misstates the evidence in his closing argument in an attempt to win the case with no regard for the truth of matters.

Vaya con Dios.

PS Do you know who God is?
 
ENGLISH! said:
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I don't even know if you are not Mr. Page himself.
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So is this your shtick now? Constantly accusing members of being other members?

Ooo...ooo...do me, do me!! Who am I?

Is Neil my dad and greyghost my brother? Please, we're all just dying to know.
 
allanpsand said:
Howdy folks -

Here's some good advice to help new players use real-world physics to control what they can do with the cue ball (from my book, "FAQs of Pool").

http://www.billiardgods.com/gk-use-tangent-line/

It's a good idea to share stuff l like this with them. We all need to ensure good competitors in the future!!! :lovies:

Good luck - shoot straight
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Remember this?



I guess you missed this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.


Me stating what I do not know is NOT that same thing as an "accusation".

I think you & the others you mentioned may have gone to the same elementary & middle schools & apparently they were not good schools.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
 
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Neil said:
Laugh all you want to Fran. It just makes you look quite silly to claim to be a master instructor, but yet you want to scoff at knowledge. :rolleyes:
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I guess you can get away with that since you're not a BCA/PBIA member.

Knowledge is one thing, knowing that supposed knowledge is not universally definitive & hence unreliable might be called wisdom & being wise.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
 
BeiberLvr said:
So is this your shtick now? Constantly accusing members of being other members?

Ooo...ooo...do me, do me!! Who am I?

Is Neil my dad and greyghost my brother? Please, we're all just dying to know.
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So who am I? What's my other alias?
 
ENGLISH! said:
How many times are you going to cast the lines before you realize that I am not going get snagged?

At least not by you.
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You've been accusing so many others of being related or having other aliases. I just want to know who you think I am.

If you don't think I'm another member, just say so, and I'll forget all about it.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I guess you can get away with that since you're not a BCA/PBIA member.

Knowledge is one thing, knowing that supposed knowledge is not universally definitive & hence unreliable might be called wisdom & being wise.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
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1. Typical that you would state that I am getting away with something, yet say nothing to here for laughing at what I said, and she is a member. (you really need to think these things through a little before you speak)

2. For someone that repeatedly has to state that you had 3 years of physics, you sure don't seem to know very much about it. That, or you feel that science has it all wrong about how spheres react to each other.
 
Neil said:
1. Typical that you would state that I am getting away with something, yet say nothing to here for laughing at what I said, and she is a member. (you really need to think these things through a little before you speak)

2. For someone that repeatedly has to state that you had 3 years of physics, you sure don't seem to know very much about it. That, or you feel that science has it all wrong about how spheres react to each other.
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1. Why would I say anything about that when what you said WAS laughable.

2, You only know what you have been told as it relates to pool & that is why you can not & do not understand so much.

You're like a cheerleader that has absolutely no understanding of the game for which they are cheering.

Is that why you made the exhaustive & senseless effort to go back & erased thousands of your old post?

Best Wishes for ALL.
 
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