Greyghosts aiming method.......come step into the darkness
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I can't wait for the DVD.
gracias
Thank you, sir.
Karl
You said a mouthful there, and you said it well. Green to you!:grin::grin-square:
Thank you, sir.
Karl
I don't understand how this could work, so it must not.
Also, its not perfect or perfectly discribed, so it must be complete bullshaytt.
Since I hold the above to be true, I must tell the world it sucks.
Often.
TB,
ussc
Also, its not perfect or perfectly discribed, so it must be complete bullshaytt.
Since I hold the above to be true, I must tell the world it sucks.
Often.
TB,
ussc
Just kidding about that last post. Was wondering what it felt like to be pj. Didn't like it much though...sort of petty and condescending.
Anyhow, thanks for posting the method. I have never considered the shadows at all. I'm at work now but I will give it shot in the morning and post a review from my perspective. Sounds interesting and very plausible imo. Thanks for posting it up Keeb. Its what the site is about.
Take care bud.
Anyhow, thanks for posting the method. I have never considered the shadows at all. I'm at work now but I will give it shot in the morning and post a review from my perspective. Sounds interesting and very plausible imo. Thanks for posting it up Keeb. Its what the site is about.
Take care bud.
Hey GreyGhost!
Now I can take the Laser and all of the other stuff off of my cue stick. I am not going to know how to shoot with all of the gadgets removed from my house cue!! Thanks GreyGhost. Adjusting my cue stick scope!!!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Now I can take the Laser and all of the other stuff off of my cue stick. I am not going to know how to shoot with all of the gadgets removed from my house cue!! Thanks GreyGhost. Adjusting my cue stick scope!!!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Thanks bro, let me know how it works or if you have a few probs or questions I'll try my best to answer......
if anyone ever sees me in person, at any tourney or place to play and would like to have a personal review of it, I'll show ya no problem.
I do need to update this thread b/c i sort of ghetto explained it with my handy dandy drawing...........but hey better to share something than nothing at all.........
and the video of Billy doing commentary on the player doing what looked like tai-chi was awesome........
take care,
-Grey Ghost-
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This is an old system....
I have had people try to explain this or similar shadow/reflection systems for two decades now, and they can never explain it in a way that shows that they even understand it. I applaud you for finally using a good diagram so that it can be tested.
When people use similar systems without being able to explain the slightest understanding of them except to say that you aim at the reflection here or shadow there, they are lying to themselves. They are able to fool themselves because if you put an object ball in the jaws and touch it on any point with a cueball it will go in. So they tell themselves the system they just learned works. Just put the ball close- if it goes, credit the system; if it does not, blame the shooter.
This system may very well work- I will test it. But I am sure many on here know the guy who is out there trying to explain the secret he does not understand. Finally someone apparently understands enough to make it testable and he deserves credit for putting a good diagram and explanation on here. Thanks brother.
I have had people try to explain this or similar shadow/reflection systems for two decades now, and they can never explain it in a way that shows that they even understand it. I applaud you for finally using a good diagram so that it can be tested.
When people use similar systems without being able to explain the slightest understanding of them except to say that you aim at the reflection here or shadow there, they are lying to themselves. They are able to fool themselves because if you put an object ball in the jaws and touch it on any point with a cueball it will go in. So they tell themselves the system they just learned works. Just put the ball close- if it goes, credit the system; if it does not, blame the shooter.
This system may very well work- I will test it. But I am sure many on here know the guy who is out there trying to explain the secret he does not understand. Finally someone apparently understands enough to make it testable and he deserves credit for putting a good diagram and explanation on here. Thanks brother.
Thanks very much. A well thought out post as I and many of us could not have put that better. Some of us know this system well but it has never been described in detail to the populace. Greenleaf, sailor, jimmy moore and a distinct few, knew the finer points of it and there will be one or two reading this nodding thier heads in agreement of that fact.
This thread has a bit of age on it and since i first stumbled upon the technique I've spoken to those of higher power than the greyone and along with my own trials and thier gifts I've certainly refined it more especially in banking application. Tho of course doing it and being consioncious enough to fully describe the innate intricaticate details of the technique is extremely difficult...........I try.
I've worked with a small number of participants and have had success with it in person as I've mentioned in past posts of this thread. I have actually have had a new student fall out of the sky that just so happens to be a lefty ( like yours truly
and he has found success in the short period using the technique in pocketing and banking (tho my watchful eye, word and attention is guiding him....but he's moving forward nicely)I sorely need to update my explanation of this method and I feel as if I've been lazy at that but you know how life goes some things seem to get in the way.
But I am the Greyghost.........you guys and gals look forward and respect the work that I put in along with the others that help me get there to get it to ya.
So like I said hell, highwater, snow, sleet whatever wouldn't keep me from making the Caspers One Pocket event......and I SHOWED...........
I'll Show some MO' (REFINED, REDEFINED more better, savy.....more greyghosty)
THIS WEEK OR I AINT THE GREYGHOST...............
the one wit da most,
Keebie-
Pretty cool trick Keeb.... It isn't what I would call an aiming system but a way to find a visual reference point to focus on to make the shots.
The key to this is has NOTHING todo with where the shadows are but the fact that they are arcs and the object ball is round.
By picking the contact point on the cueball and the corresponding spot on on the far side of the object ball you can alter your head position so that the shadow exit will disappear at exactly the right point on the table where you can focus and aim at it.
For people that have issues with picking out a point on a round object and can see an intersection point on the table easier this works in lots of instances. I will test the limits and report back but I can actually see putting this in the toolbox when I just can't seem to get the aim to "feel" right. I already use ghostball, spot on the table, tuckers numbers and pivot aiming when I face something that isn't ROTE to me so another tool is always welcome.
I can only imagine the people who have tried this and failed either have set head positions that they do not vary or they went into it not trying to see how it could work and were like my teenager who knows everything already. At least I can hope she grows out of it but I can see it doesn't always turn out that way...........
Peace...
The key to this is has NOTHING todo with where the shadows are but the fact that they are arcs and the object ball is round.
By picking the contact point on the cueball and the corresponding spot on on the far side of the object ball you can alter your head position so that the shadow exit will disappear at exactly the right point on the table where you can focus and aim at it.
For people that have issues with picking out a point on a round object and can see an intersection point on the table easier this works in lots of instances. I will test the limits and report back but I can actually see putting this in the toolbox when I just can't seem to get the aim to "feel" right. I already use ghostball, spot on the table, tuckers numbers and pivot aiming when I face something that isn't ROTE to me so another tool is always welcome.
I can only imagine the people who have tried this and failed either have set head positions that they do not vary or they went into it not trying to see how it could work and were like my teenager who knows everything already. At least I can hope she grows out of it but I can see it doesn't always turn out that way...........
Peace...
Grey Ghost,
If it works for you brother thats all that is required. You just keep refining it until you have all the shots you can make with it. I think the important thing here is that youre paying close attention to what youre doing and that in itself produces results. I would take this method to different tables with different lighting to see if you can still see something of it because your shadows may disappear. I was playing in a place 4 yrs ago that had a certain lighting and was seeing something similar that was working for me but when I moved my playing I just didnt see enough of it to rely on it. So I put it in the same bag as the Holy Lights system where you shoot off of the reflections of the balls, which by the way works pretty good for some shots but totally doesnt on a lot of others depending on how you work it. Youre developing your grab bag of methods just like anyone else and if its working for you that is all that counts, just make sure it doesnt leave you hanging when you hit the road.
336Robin :thumbup:
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Umbra and Penumbra
There are other recorded "shadow" aiming systems out there. I've seen one of them and another was shared to me by a player who plays better than I do.
The darkest shadow is called the numbra and it is the smallest shadow.
The lighter shadow is called the penumbra and it is the larger shadow.
However, an object ball can have one or MORE shadows and they can be of different shapes as well.
One of the benefits of aiming at portions of the shadow is that you can focus your attention on a specific edge of the shadow instead of some general area of the object ball that sometimes is not all that clear.
Personally, I think some top players use aiming methods like this to help them focus. If you can pick a spot out on ONE of the shadows and you know that aiming to that spot will put the cue ball in the spot where it needs to be to make the object ball, you have a winner. With this method of aiming you don't have to as concerned about the shadows moving.
I've used the shadow aiming system by aiming at different parts of both shadows and have had mixed results, some of them extremely pleasant and others, not so pleasant. Having experience at knowing whether a shot will go has a lot to do with your success at using ANY aiming system. So practice, practice, practice.
There are other recorded "shadow" aiming systems out there. I've seen one of them and another was shared to me by a player who plays better than I do.
The darkest shadow is called the numbra and it is the smallest shadow.
The lighter shadow is called the penumbra and it is the larger shadow.
However, an object ball can have one or MORE shadows and they can be of different shapes as well.
One of the benefits of aiming at portions of the shadow is that you can focus your attention on a specific edge of the shadow instead of some general area of the object ball that sometimes is not all that clear.
Personally, I think some top players use aiming methods like this to help them focus. If you can pick a spot out on ONE of the shadows and you know that aiming to that spot will put the cue ball in the spot where it needs to be to make the object ball, you have a winner. With this method of aiming you don't have to as concerned about the shadows moving.
I've used the shadow aiming system by aiming at different parts of both shadows and have had mixed results, some of them extremely pleasant and others, not so pleasant. Having experience at knowing whether a shot will go has a lot to do with your success at using ANY aiming system. So practice, practice, practice.
Actually, I tinkered a bit with it that morning...very inconsistant results would be accurate. But I was whooped after twelve hours night shift and focus and effort were lacking I'm sure.
I was surprised to see this bumped the other day it reminded me to give it an honest go.
At home now, popping a few tops and I'm going to revisit this right now.
Thanks for the reminder bud.
Took some pics this weekend when I was in New Orleans......going to take some more pics this wednesday when i get back on a pool table and plan on posting more info with the pics and diagrams this week.
The holy lights do change too much, the shadows don't vary nearly the same.....at least the parts of them that I'm using dont change visually along the spherical OB.
Remember i said i tried this even with lights 6ft away light on one side coming from 45 deg above and it still worked (so long as i was on the shadow side of course) but if your playing in that poor of a condition then man show me a pic of that table lol.
There's much more on my end left to do to make this workable and understandable from a readers perspective but I'm trying and will continue to do so.
If anyone is ever in my area or sees me and wants me to try to explain it just holler "show me sum'n mista" lol
-Grey Ghost-
The holy lights do change too much, the shadows don't vary nearly the same.....at least the parts of them that I'm using dont change visually along the spherical OB.
Remember i said i tried this even with lights 6ft away light on one side coming from 45 deg above and it still worked (so long as i was on the shadow side of course) but if your playing in that poor of a condition then man show me a pic of that table lol.
There's much more on my end left to do to make this workable and understandable from a readers perspective but I'm trying and will continue to do so.
If anyone is ever in my area or sees me and wants me to try to explain it just holler "show me sum'n mista" lol
-Grey Ghost-
it works
Although I don't use this, I have witnessed it in action and it worked very well for the player. He was winning ro doing very well in small tournements against some outstanding players and played very consistently.
I think the best benefit of using this or any system is the confidence it instills in the player. Anything that takes the guesswork out of aiming is helpful, IMHO.
Karl
Although I don't use this, I have witnessed it in action and it worked very well for the player. He was winning ro doing very well in small tournements against some outstanding players and played very consistently.
I think the best benefit of using this or any system is the confidence it instills in the player. Anything that takes the guesswork out of aiming is helpful, IMHO.
Karl
Well alright. I gave this a go.
On a niner with forgiving pockets. My lights are the four shades type I see here quite a bit. Not a box, just four "shades" hanging along a pole lengh wise.
I studied the "ghetto" drawing and discription until I felt like I got the concept and took it to the table.
The first five shots played. All short,but angled. Truthfully I did not consider the pocket...not at all. Just followed the instructions and stroked it. Now I know that sounds all "cte ish" but its true. I suspect the cte logic is much the same in some regards.
But with only considering the shadow, I played balls off. That's the truth.
Now, when I shots were beyond 6 feet, this got much less simple to see and or play using the shadow.
Also, tough cuts did not give up like I had hoped...but I may be missing a few clicks of knowledge that bring both into perspective.
My honest assesment is there is something to this application and I need to explore it more.
One thing I found straight away, which may be a very benificial byproduct of the exploration, is my bridge hand found the proper landing spot when I considered this technique.
Props Keeb. I love trying new stuff and this has some honest merit.
Thanks bro,
Tball
On a niner with forgiving pockets. My lights are the four shades type I see here quite a bit. Not a box, just four "shades" hanging along a pole lengh wise.
I studied the "ghetto" drawing and discription until I felt like I got the concept and took it to the table.
The first five shots played. All short,but angled. Truthfully I did not consider the pocket...not at all. Just followed the instructions and stroked it. Now I know that sounds all "cte ish" but its true. I suspect the cte logic is much the same in some regards.
But with only considering the shadow, I played balls off. That's the truth.
Now, when I shots were beyond 6 feet, this got much less simple to see and or play using the shadow.
Also, tough cuts did not give up like I had hoped...but I may be missing a few clicks of knowledge that bring both into perspective.
My honest assesment is there is something to this application and I need to explore it more.
One thing I found straight away, which may be a very benificial byproduct of the exploration, is my bridge hand found the proper landing spot when I considered this technique.
Props Keeb. I love trying new stuff and this has some honest merit.
Thanks bro,
Tball
from crazy in 2010 and it cant work......to I find this today after seeing a thread from 2015.....
link was to a lesson in posted in 2012 with SVB.....
https://vimeo.com/35382368
word
-Greyghost
link was to a lesson in posted in 2012 with SVB.....
https://vimeo.com/35382368
word
-Greyghost
Thanks for bumping this thread! I watched that video today as well and remembered this thread but hadn't had a chance to start looking for it.