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Tom Hay's new line of tips
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How is texting not talking. I never said I spoke with Tom I said I talked to him. I'm sorry if you took that as something it wasn't. Should I have said conversated. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had to be specific. Ok let me be specific. I conversated with Tom Hay through non verbal means and he lied to me by informing me they where made in the YEAR when in fact they where imputed from another country. This caused me to believe what I informed by Tom and in effect inform others inadvertently of said lie.
There now keep trying to play semantics but I was straight up lied to. You can act like we never talked but I know the truth. And like I said I don't even care they were imported I care I was lied to.
And as I said before, I buy my tips from my distributors, I have only order from you directly once or twice and it took too long to get them. Not that you took a long time, but when I order from my distributor I get them in a day or two. For the difference in price it is worth the little extra.
I don't need a refund, I would like an apology, but like I said I don't plan on not using them anymore I just feel slighted because I was miss informed.
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You don't need to post any more, you did your job, you ran him off. Good job, you and Renfro should be proud.
What's wrong with this thread is Rentfree, and Cameltoe. I disagree, however, that members have caused the disappearance of pro players.
Granted, we can be abrasive, disagreeable, and a lot of times down right rude. Hell, I've even got pissed at myself from time to time.
The main reason, in my view, why we see so few pro players on AZB is that we have so little in common with them. I know that sounds funny, but hear me out.
A pro would care little for the league players here, although they make up the bulk of our membership. League play is just not a part of their world.
A pro would find the day to day, ups and downs of pool play by us commoners a complete bore. Why would a pro care if I was having trouble making a three railer. They have enough trouble finding their next money match.
Finally, there are no real secrets to impart regarding shot making, and if there were it would be unlikely for a pro to give any of them away.
There are more reasons, I'm sure, but you get the idea. :smile:
You arrived at this conclusion from an install? Brian.
Yes Brian I came to this conclusion just from an install :slap:
I actually shot with the tip last night and plays great. :thumbup:
How does it compare to the blacks? Brian.
Yep I am what's wrong with the thread... Not someone breaking the law for over 4 years....
What Tom has been doing is illegal... Point of fact... Just because he didn't want to label his country of origin and just because many of you don't care about the law doesn't change the fact it is and has been the law. It is very much black and white and is there for anyone who cares to read about it. Anyone who imports products is required to know the rules and follow them.
In the 4 years I have been going to events I have been told by several installers that they have been told the tips were made in Florida... I am not going to list them here or drag them into it because I told Tom I was dropping it since it is his word vs theirs so it is a push... but Had the labeling rules been followed there would have been zero chance it could have happened.....
As a manufacturer in the billiard industry I see fakes, unmarked imports and even missmarked imports that are all too common... I don't really care if you don't buy any of my products because of the fact I want a level playing field... You should be able to buy any product and have confidence that the law is supposed to protect you and assist you in making choices...
When you buy fake mooris or G2s or Kamuis that you think are real not only are you not getting a genuine product but you may be helping to tear down the original product... When you are buying some imports that are not marked you are helping to support some of those same manufacturers... There are far fewer manufacturers than there are brands.
We all get it. You just want the people of the world to follow the law, and what better law to start enforcing than the law stating importers must list country of manufacture.
Join the ATF or USDA if you really want to protect consumers.
You're trying to be a good citizen, you're just making yourself look so terrible while doing it.
I have to have it trimmed down twice before it doesn't mushroom anymore. Once its good then its good to go for the duration. I really like the tips but that is my only gripe. I will try and burnish the sides really well next time to see if it helps to harden up so it doesn't mushroom so easily.
Sometimes its best to take the high road. Let your product speak for itself. I have never tried Ki-Tech tips to give an opinion but it seems the Ultra Skins must be doing better in the sales department. 
I wouldn't be too worried about the mushrooming. Personally speaking, all playing tips I've ever installed that didn't mushroom played like crap. Even the KiTechs I got from Renfro eventually did mushroom too. Albeit a way less than a normal tip. If the tip doesn't mushroom it's probably hard enough to be a good break tip.
Not just burnishing, but specifically the swirl remover seemed to work some magic. Maybe I'm just fooling myself, and I'll readily admit I don't really know what I'm doing, so there's that... :smile:
The swirl remover likely would function as around 3500 grit sandpaper and usually has some carnuba or petroleum products which would help fill and condition the sides of the tip... I doubt you are fooling yourself.....
Meguiars swirl remover
I use the swirl remover to clean up the ferrules .
I only know of two ways of polishing out the ferrules, one is polishing creams and the other is wet sanding with micro mesh.
If it works who cares if you know what your doing :thumbup:
Just fake it like the rest of the professionals
I use the swirl remover to clean up the ferrules .
I only know of two ways of polishing out the ferrules, one is polishing creams and the other is wet sanding with micro mesh.
If it works who cares if you know what your doing :thumbup:
Just fake it like the rest of the professionals