You'll have to consult with the experts. I'm just a banger that banged on in.
$2000 Bank Bend Challenge
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You'll have to consult with the experts. I'm just a banger that banged on in.
Why can't you just admit this is a hoax?
The challenge was a hoax. They never intended to pay.
I'd love to see the email exchanges between DD and BJ.
BJ- Did you see Cleary's video post, I think we have to pay up.
DD- Just watched it, crap looks good
BJ- wait a minute lets not be so hasty
DD- You're right, I remember a song by Shaggy, lets try the whole "It wasn't me" thing
BJ- what about the blow back from reneging on a $2000 deal.
DD- We will say he didn't read the fine print, then if that doesn't work you start a different thread and say that he has the ability to make professional videos.
BJ- Good idea, whew I thought we were going to be on the line for 2k
DD- Remember our first conversation BJ, I wont let you have to go into your pocket.
BJ- Did you see Cleary's video post, I think we have to pay up.
DD- Just watched it, crap looks good
BJ- wait a minute lets not be so hasty
DD- You're right, I remember a song by Shaggy, lets try the whole "It wasn't me" thing
BJ- what about the blow back from reneging on a $2000 deal.
DD- We will say he didn't read the fine print, then if that doesn't work you start a different thread and say that he has the ability to make professional videos.
BJ- Good idea, whew I thought we were going to be on the line for 2k
DD- Remember our first conversation BJ, I wont let you have to go into your pocket.
I think he had a reason for taking it down. If everything was on the up and up why would you take it down? If I'd done that shot the video would be playing on a loop at my visitation after I'm gone.
Just me speculating about something that I have no firsthand knowledge about, it is, after all, AZ!
I believe Cleary lie if he does not keep video up. And he accuses others.. I think that shows up what is wrong in this forum.
Funny how peoples wanna get away always those guys who make efforts for the poolworld. They troll so hard and long that good guys just let it go.
Funny how peoples wanna get away always those guys who make efforts for the poolworld. They troll so hard and long that good guys just let it go.
It's worse than that if he's trying to rip them off for $2000. It'd be one thing if it was just dropped, but he keeps pounding on it but won't show the video.
Enough people saw it. I don't have to cater to you. The people who needed to see it, saw it... they claim they're not paying because the setup was incorrect which is only somewhat true.
Please remember that he wanted the money to go to charity, and that Dr. D could send it there directly.
You can all debate the merits of the video and Cleary's motives, but the one thing you can't do is claim he wanted to rip them off.
He did show the video. I'm sorry you missed it.
So you just admitted you didn't follow the rules? Because if I were to crap my pants, saying I somewhat crapped my pants is redundant. It either has to be true or not. Not somewhat true with you trying to find an excuse.
It's true. I've said this several times.
I made the challenge slightly harder on myself, putting the paper tube over the donut and not against it. That means I needed to bend the ball an extra 1/2" give or take. Fact of the matter is, the tube didn't even come into play. I bent the ball far past it.
It's no secret he doesn't like Dave and Bob. I'm sure he wouldn't care if they simply burned it so long as it leaves their pockets. Maybe "rip off" isn't exactly the right phrasing, but given his accusations, the fantastic nature of the video as described, and then it's sudden deletion to prevent any real scrutiny, it's hard not to think there's something fishy.
Could you please provide some sort of evidence to your claim that I do not like Dave and Bob? I do not know either of them personally. I've probably watched, learned and enjoyed almost every video they've done together that's on youtube. I'm sure they're both nice people but after this I do question their integrity. I did, in fact, question it from the very beginning based on this whole bending banks drama... It was clear at the beginning, from the very strange and detailed setup that it's nearly impossible to replicate, always leaving them a way out. I'll also say I am mad at them and think they should donate the money to charity.
So you tried to cheat the challenge and are upset that they won't pay?
If someone scams money from me and donates it to charity, or even scams me into donating to charity when I was not intending to, is that not "ripping me off"? I agree its not ripping me off for the person's own personal gain, but I'm not sure it is not ripping them off.
Having gone through this thread at some length, here is my theory about this whole deal:
1. Cleary has a beef with Dr. Dave.
2. Cleary believes that the science guys (or at least these science guys) won't accept things that are not in accordance with their own views and demand proof that is impossible.
3. Accordingly, he believes that the whole challenge was bogus because even if done properly they would not believe it and therefore would not pay.
4. To prove his theory, he created a video that he thought complied with the rules (except that he did something, like maybe edited it to combine a bank shot and a masse on the 9, as I suggested days ago).
5. He refuses to directly answer the question about editing the video because he draws some line in this own mind about creating the video and actually lying about editing (as opposed to answering a ton of questions in a way that might make you think he has denied editing, which he has not).
6. Cleary figured he could trap Dave into paying (or better yet into reneging on the proposition), because Dave said he would pay if you complied with the rules.
7. Because Cleary wants to prove his point and stick it to them, and not personally profit, he really would have donated the money to charity.
8. Cleary made a mistake in not complying with the details of the proposition. If you are going to use a very technical argument to say the other guy should pay even if it might be a fake, you'd better make sure you get it right.
Of course, all of this is just a theory.
How did I try to cheat?
No I can't provide any evidence. Just my impression. I've lurked here for a while before I joined and developed some general perceptions of people. If that's not true, then fine.
Personally, I agree with you that if your setup forces more bending than required then not paying up is really just nitpicking, but more than one person has questioned the legitimacy of your video, and you've removed it so that no one can scrutinize it. People are saying the ball practically did a masse off the cushion, you don't know how you did it, and you basically just did it by accident after just shooting randomly for a bit. I've been playing for 30 years and I've never done or seen anything even remotely similar to that, but for you it just happened, apparently because you willed it. By your own admission you don't know how, so how is this any different than any other shot you and everyone else takes every day? If it's as easy as just "trying" randomly, then it should happen in games randomly too, but it never happens as described.
So I'm just telling you it looks a little fishy and will probably look that way to a lot of folks. If it's legitimate, it's a shame that you wouldn't share it so we can figure out just how the heck it happened.
Aside from your whole post being hogwash, this is seriously making me laugh out loud. I'm not sure how many times I have to tell you. I've been direct, I've been sarcastic, I'm not sure what else you want from me.. sperm samples? lol I really could care less what you think of me. It's just funny. The funny part is, I don't care what you think. If you want to think I'm a liar, go for it. I really don't care.