$2000 Bank Bend Challenge

"It is a compliment and I've started to embrace it. I've said many times that it's fake. I've also said it's real and I've said I'm a liar. Who the hell knows?"

Do you have adult conversations with anybody in your life?
 
BasementDweller said:
"It is a compliment and I've started to embrace it. I've said many times that it's fake. I've also said it's real and I've said I'm a liar. Who the hell knows?"

Do you have adult conversations with anybody in your life?
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Only at work. Sorry I'm not as serious as you. Btw basement dweller is a super creepy name, you should change that. Just my opinion:)
 
dr_dave said:
Cleary and others,

Please read the challenge rules (the entire page) very carefully. They can be found here:

$2000 Bank Bend Challenge website (with detailed rules)

Even if your video were "legitimate and free from trickery," it still would not qualify for the $2000 prize. Again, if anybody disagrees with this, they have not read or understood the rules. Rules are rules, despite what anybody thinks or writes on AZB. The final ruler measurement (between the edge of the tube and the center of the donut) must be 1/8" or less. The goal for the challenge was not only to get the required amount of bend, but do so accurately (so such a shot might actually be useful in a game situation).

BTW, I think Bob and I have figured out how you created your video. When I can find the time over the next few days, I will attempt to duplicate and beat it, while also satisfying the challenge rules (except for the "legitimate and free from trickery" part).

Regards,
Dave

PS: Bob's offer to visit you in New York next week still stands if you are interested.
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GideonF said:
If someone scams money from me and donates it to charity, or even scams me into donating to charity when I was not intending to, is that not "ripping me off"? I agree its not ripping me off for the person's own personal gain, but I'm not sure it is not ripping them off.

Having gone through this thread at some length, here is my theory about this whole deal:

1. Cleary has a beef with Dr. Dave.
2. Cleary believes that the science guys (or at least these science guys) won't accept things that are not in accordance with their own views and demand proof that is impossible.
3. Accordingly, he believes that the whole challenge was bogus because even if done properly they would not believe it and therefore would not pay.
4. To prove his theory, he created a video that he thought complied with the rules (except that he did something, like maybe edited it to combine a bank shot and a masse on the 9, as I suggested days ago).
5. He refuses to directly answer the question about editing the video because he draws some line in this own mind about creating the video and actually lying about editing (as opposed to answering a ton of questions in a way that might make you think he has denied editing, which he has not).
6. Cleary figured he could trap Dave into paying (or better yet into reneging on the proposition), because Dave said he would pay if you complied with the rules.
7. Because Cleary wants to prove his point and stick it to them, and not personally profit, he really would have donated the money to charity.
8. Cleary made a mistake in not complying with the details of the proposition. If you are going to use a very technical argument to say the other guy should pay even if it might be a fake, you'd better make sure you get it right.

Of course, all of this is just a theory.
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Excellent summary of a compelling theory. You better be careful, though ... somebody might accuse you of being a "Science Guy." :eek:

Regards,
Dave

PS: Bob and I have a copy of cleary's video; and the more we study it, the more fishy it looks. And even if it did satisfy the main requirement of the challenge (the ruler measurement being less than 1/8"), which it clearly does not, the video violates several contest rules. Anybody who has seen and studied the video and who has actually carefully read all of the challenge rules will know this to be fact. Everything else is just senseless drama.
 
cleary said: "Only at work. Sorry I'm not as serious as you. Btw basement dweller is a super creepy name, you should change that. Just my opinion."

Okay -- you doubled down on being funny. That I can appreciate. I'll look into having my username changed. Good luck dealing with your outrage.
 
dr_dave said:
Bob and I have a copy of cleary's video; and the more we study it, the more fishy it looks. And even if it did satisfy the main requirement of the challenge (the ruler measurement being less than 1/8"), which it clearly does not, the video violates several contest rules. Anybody who has seen and studied the video and who has actually carefully read all of the challenge rules will know this to be fact. Everything else is just senseless drama.
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It's just senseless drama... a fake video for a fake challenge. :)
 
cleary said:
a fake video
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Thank you for being clear on this matter. I hope you will explain exactly how you created your video. (Bob and I think we know, and we will still try to duplicate it, but it would be interesting to learn from the master video man). I'm sure many readers here would be interested to know, especially those who saw the video before it was removed.

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Bob and I think we know
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I saw the video, never seen an ob do that in my life either, but I've seen strange things on the pool table for whatever reason. I read every page on this thread and truth be told I am skeptical of both parties. The video is either a total fluke of weird sorts, or modified, and the challenge to begin with I highly doubt anticipated an actual winner. I sense a slight lack of honesty from both sides. If the video was 100% legit the man should be paid, even as a miracle fluke it's one hell of a bend.
 
ChicagoJoe said:
I don't know since the video is down, but just from reading people's responses, it sounds like it was doctored. If you don't think that's trying to cheat the challenge, i don't know what to tell ya.
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If someone thinks it's doctored, it's not because the video didn't look authentic. To the naked eye it looked 100% authentic, simply amazing.

They think it's doctored because imparting so much secondary spin on an object ball (without trickery) seems impossible.

I did a stop frame and the only part that looked fishy to me was when the OB first comes off the rail the path seems to ghost through the other frozen rail ball. hard to see though because of the motion blur. Possible there are two sequences spliced together at that point
 
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TATE said:
If someone thinks it's doctored, it's not because the video didn't look authentic. It looked 100% authentic, simply amazing.

They think it's doctored because imparting so much secondary spin on an object ball (without trickery) seems impossible.
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TATE said:
If someone thinks it's doctored, it's not because the video didn't look authentic. To the naked eye it looked 100% authentic, simply amazing.

They think it's doctored because imparting so much secondary spin on an object ball (without trickery) seems impossible.

I did a stop frame and the only part that looked fishy to me was when the OB first comes off the rail the path seems to ghost through the other frozen rail ball. hard to see though because of the motion blur. Possible there are two sequences spliced together at that point
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To the naked eye it looks fake, no stop frame needed. The ball did a masse off the rail, also cleary has pretty muched admitted it was fake now.

Can we make a list of people who thought this video was real and link what pool rooms they frequent and if they gamble? :grin-square: jkjk
 
To people who don't know any better they may think its real though.

The video editing is superb
 
nycdarkness said:
the challenge to begin with I highly doubt anticipated an actual winner.
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Honestly, we certainly did not expect anyone to claim the $2000 prize in the challenge; although, we do think it might be possible under the right conditions and with the right shot. In fact, if people view the legitimate videos on the bending a bank shot resource page, it is obvious that it might be possible to beat the challenge.

Bob and I would honestly be more than happy to pay out the $2000 for a legitimate video that satisfies all of the rules and requirements of the challenge. We would love to see what most knowledgeable and experienced pool players currently think is impossible. But to earn the money, one must satisfy the requirements and obey the rules, which are stated very clearly and demonstrated on the $2000 Bank Bend Challenge website. That's how things like this work ... if you want a chance at the cash, you must follow the rules.

Also, we will be paying out the $200 for the best legitimate entry, even if nobody can satisfy the $2000 challenge requirement. I sure hope somebody beats my current 1st-place entry, which I just created just as an example. It should be very easy for any decent banker to beat it to claim the $200. For more details, please view the videos and carefully read the rules here:

$2000 Bank Bend Challenge

Regards,
Dave
 
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I wish everyone would lighten up. Hoaxing is a great American tradition and successful hoaxers are often times heroes. It's called entertainment. Very funny that people can get so charged up over this. Assuming this is a hoax by Cleary, it is very clever and quite amusing. Made my day!
 
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TATE said:
Assuming this is a hoax by Cleary, it is very clever and quite amusing. Made my day!
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Well stated. I agree 100%. Cleary's video was most certainly entertaining, and impressive!

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Honestly, we certainly did not expect anyone to claim the $2000 prize in the challenge; although, we do think it might be possible under the right conditions and with the right shot. In fact, if people view the legitimate videos on the bending a bank shot resource page, it is obvious that it might be possible to beat the challenge.

Bob and I would honestly be more than happy to pay out the $2000 for a legitimate video that satisfies all of the rules and requirements of the challenge. We would love to see what most knowledgeable and experienced pool players currently think is impossible. But to earn the money, one must satisfy the requirements and obey the rules, which are stated very clearly and demonstrated on the $2000 Bank Bend Challenge website. That's how things like this work ... if you want a chance at the cash, you must follow the rules.

Also, we will be paying out the $200 for the best legitimate entry, even if nobody can satisfy the $2000 challenge requirement. I sure hope somebody beats my current 1st-place entry, which I just created just as an example. It should be very easy for any decent banker to beat it to claim the $200. For more details, please view the videos and carefully read the rules here:

$2000 Bank Bend Challenge

Regards,
Dave
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See, I'm not the only liar around here.
 
dr_dave said:
Well stated. I agree 100%. Cleary's video was most certainly entertaining, and impressive!

Regards,
Dave
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When you figure out how to fake it, let me know so I can learn from you. I'll assume it's not fake and that you actually shot it because honestly... I don't think you're talented enough to fake it. Just like you don't think I'm talented enough to shoot the shot.

Either way, I'd like to know how to fake this because it's way past my pay grade.
 
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