Lol. You bonehead..
Were you drinking to celebrate the Vikings winning more that 8 games?
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Man playing as woman at APA nationals
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Lol. You bonehead..
Were you drinking to celebrate the Vikings winning more that 8 games?
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I am pretty sure I was celebrating being up like $2-300 in cards while drinking for free
. This was a few years ago when I actually used to play more than once a month. Bad news though is if I every play again I'm locked at a 7 so I'll get stuffed in the big boys bracket and probably get pounded.
Different sports require different views. But in general, everyone should be on equal footing. WPBA? bowling I assume? No, women do not have any restrictions in bowling and are just as good as men.
I am mostly referring to sports and leagues that are already mixed. If the main league is already mixed then why have sub divisions just for women but not for men? Stop trying to make it easier for women and just follow the equalizer system. In my area at least a woman that is a 5 in APA is just as good as a male 6 because woman are usually 1 rank below what they should be. Not in all cases, but many. Beginner ranks are beginner ranks, and if a female can be a 2, a male should be able to as well.
If they are mixed at the amateur level they should be mixed at the pro level as well.
I am pretty sure I was celebrating being up like $2-300 in cards while drinking for free
Locked APA 7!? Wow, your more than just a pretty face eh. Well I think we need to play sometime, wish I hadn't lost my passport in Nashville..
In terms of getting stuffed and pounded.. That really doesn't sound to appetizing.
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Thank you for stating what they can't seem to and refuse to acknowledge, the simple basic truth and the reason is because she is a he and he's don't play in she leagues. I don't care how terrible they are at pool or how they "identify" the facts are what they are.
I think the issue is that it's a woman's league, not the skill level. If any guy is an SL4 does that mean that mean they can play in a woman's league because they are a bad player?
Many people don't care who wants to wear high heels and go into the fashion business but sports and competition are not lifestyle choices. Otherwise there would be no separate division for women to play in. There is, so it clearly matters if one is a man or a woman, for those reasons, a man dressed as a woman is not a woman when it comes to sports and rankings. I may say I am an dolphin, and put on some fins, but I'd beat the hell out of any dolphin in juggling because I have hands and they don't. Even if Sea World will allow me to call myself a dolphin and even feed me fish, I should not be in a dolphin division in juggling competitions..
If the event was "women or crappy men" then that's one thing. There is a simple way to sort all this out, where you born a woman or a man, go by that. Anything else gets too complicated. You start putting in exceptions, soon you have a 30 page rule on something very simple.
What if you are a gay guy that dressed like a man, can you play as a woman? What if you were a gay guy that dressed like a woman, can you play as a woman then? What's the difference?
Your post is correct in many ways, but in sports, choosing what you wear and act like should not matter at all.
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Why are men allowed to play in the World Series of Poker Ladies tournaments?
I think it's something to do with anti discrimination laws.
Is it unfair to have women only pool tournaments if going by a skill level anyway?
Or is pool different as its more of a physical game other than a mental game like poker?
I think it's something to do with anti discrimination laws.
Is it unfair to have women only pool tournaments if going by a skill level anyway?
Or is pool different as its more of a physical game other than a mental game like poker?
But the men have a MUCH HIGHER entry fee to play in the womens - and everybody talks crap to them(guess thats ok to talk crap to somebody if they are white and straight)
Another thing - aren't women admitting that they are inferior to men if they have to have their own tournaments and leagues? Then they want to be treated as equals
Another thing - aren't women admitting that they are inferior to men if they have to have their own tournaments and leagues? Then they want to be treated as equals
I dunno, maybe women would like the ability to play competitive pool without men hitting on them all the time, ogling them and being condescending (if the man is better) or sulky (if the man is worse and/or is losing). Of course not all men are like this, but I'm pretty sure that enough us are like that that women may like an event or league of their own.
Another thing - aren't women admitting that they are inferior to men if they have to have their own tournaments and leagues? Then they want to be treated as equals
One of my favorite Bloom County cartoons, or at least one that I remember, when Opus was going to be a farmer, one of his tests was to say the following two lines without giggling.
"Keep those danged government bureaucrats out of my business"
"Hurry up with my farm subsidy check"
Things need to be equal, except when it does not suit some people for it to be equal :wink:
Just ran into this in a tournament I started playing in, the handicaps were as separate as 6-2 races. After seeing several 2s win by making 3 9 balls by accident out of 4 games, I suggested that if they have 2s in the event they should at least have called 9 ball so good players not only give up 4 games to 6 but also have to deal with crap 9 balls going in. Next week, one of the players quit because it was not fair (it was a woman but that is probably not really relevant. Or is it?). So it's OK to be unfair to the good players with giving a weak player a huge game spot but also OK to be more unfair so you can beat the good player by luck and not actually making a single ball you mean to. When someone tries to even things out again to give the good players a chance to win with good play, people quit LOL
But there is also the line from an actual pool movie about this "A fact is a fact". We may not like it as a society, but everyone is not equal, everyone will never be equal, and changing rules to make things equal for everyone will never work out as well as we'd like. I don't see a "short people" league, even though I feel at 5'6" I can't reach shots as easy as others. Why can't I play with the women who are more my height so I am more equal to them? Tall people have an advantage over me, so I want my own tournament for short people. Who gets to pick what is OK to classify as needing special rules and what does not?
Tournaments should be skill based, or open to everyone. Moving people to one side or another based on how they are physically is how we ended up with white and colored bathrooms and lunch counters is it not? I like ABCD events and Open/Pro events. I don't really like Women's and Men's events. You can't have equal but separate, as was proven by the school segregation laws, does not work for race, should not work by sex.
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Another thing - aren't women admitting that they are inferior to men if they have to have their own tournaments and leagues? Then they want to be treated as equals
Women want equality in the moral, legal, and social sense. That doesn't require that they be physically equal to men.
You are so right, we should make women athletes a protected class of their own.
I bet this could extend to them going to the grocery store, the local swimming pool and all their local bars.
Maybe we should create safe places for women.
there are, it's called the kitchen:grin-square:
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skill based competition will eliminate all the ya-ya and guesswork
OK, let's recap:
1) A guy is wearing womens clothes and playing pool.
2) He can't win a game but people complain anyway, to get him DQ'd
3) Thread takes a turn and a guy from NC wants to fly anywhere to play high stakes. He also threatens to catch all catfish in your local lakes.....
4) Some users are labeled as liberals or insensitive....
Ok, carry on
1) A guy is wearing womens clothes and playing pool.
2) He can't win a game but people complain anyway, to get him DQ'd
3) Thread takes a turn and a guy from NC wants to fly anywhere to play high stakes. He also threatens to catch all catfish in your local lakes.....
4) Some users are labeled as liberals or insensitive....
Ok, carry on
You have to be strong to play pool?
"We" aren't making women a protected class. Women are choosing to join women only leagues or tournaments. It is a free market. Just like some women join women only gyms.
I agree that it would be nice if women didn't feel the need for a separate league, but society isn't there yet, at least not as I see it.
And by the way, some of it is not necessarily "bad" conduct. I personally know couples who formed out of being in the same pool league, and no doubt someone hit on someone else to get that going. So a man may legitimately hit on a woman in league (without harassing her) yet the woman may still be sick of such attention and choose a league where it doesn't happen.
We have a handicapped tour around here that men, women, transgenders, disabled, all compete together in.
If apa is handicapped why do they seperate gender in the first place?
Masters maybe, but even in apa masters i have seen many all female teams, doesnt seem to bother them.
If apa is handicapped why do they seperate gender in the first place?
Masters maybe, but even in apa masters i have seen many all female teams, doesnt seem to bother them.
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Can not wait to see the thread started once the BCAPL decides to fully impliment Fargo across the board. What are gender equality people going to say about everyone playing in one event using their Fargo rating not their gender? Should be really interesting to read that one! As some posters have put it, "I'm getting the popcorn ready".
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