Why pay to recover table

SJD-

My cousin was one of those that liked to provoke others - as people do here on the forum ----- a parallel of sorts.

Once again - no - I have no dog in this fight. My last line comment was regarding the OP question and watching ANY craftsman that goes by the title pool table mechanic, installer, etc. In general.

Thank you for the opportunity to explain myself fully though - it is appreciated

On a side note, there are many of your posts that I find entertaining, informative and even helpful.

Carry on, sir.

K


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I am a real do it yourselfer. Last year I was quoted 30K to 60K for rear landscaping on my new house. I decided I would do it myself, not for the savings, but for the sense of accomplishment. It took me two months part time from ground breaking to finish. When I say I did it myself, I personally wrote and submitted the plans, dug 500 feet of irrigation trenches, laid the pipes and system, leveled the yard, hauled by hand and garden cart 20K pounds of block and pavers back there, moved 100 sacks of sand and 100 sacks of gravel, hauled and planted each bush and tree (except for one 20' ash) and gravel my hand, laid block, installed lighting, laid the pavers, picked each plant, hauled them in my wife's SUV, moved and spread 10 yards of bark, laid sod, built and installed a wired gas firepit. I did not hire labor. (except I had a concrete walkway contracted because that takes finish skills I don't have). My wife loves it, I love it.

When it comes to a pool table, I'll hire a mechanic. They can stretch the cloth and level it "just right". It's more skill than I care to acquire for the once every 5 year job. It's a skill that I respect and I have to be reminded of the results every time I play.
 
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Recovering a table is no tougher than wallpaperimg, hanging siding, roofing, putting in a light fixture....anybody with a table and basic handyman skills can do it.

I hardly ever just change the cloth or a pool table, even though doing it comes with being paid to do so, so you have me mixed up with someone else.
 
I don't even install my own tips, why in the heck would I attempt a job like recovering a table ??

Somethings are just best left to professionals. Folks always think I know how to install a tip, and I tell them I never even tried when I can just use the local guys to do it, why do I need to bother.

Of course, if you're one handy dude, and want to risk it, go for it. But for the rest of us "mechanically inclined" we'll just pay a few hundred to do the job ;)

Hell you don't even make your own chalk or even know where it's made LOL I sure as hell knew you didn't cover your own table......
 
Recovering a table is no tougher than wallpaperimg, hanging siding, roofing, putting in a light fixture....anybody with a table and basic handyman skills can do it.

Justaplayer sir, that is blasphemy!..You are grossly insulting all roofers, and siding installers, by comparing them with pool table mechanics! :(...Now wallpaper hanging, (as long as it is not a matching pattern) and screwing in a light bulb, (clockwise only)..are much closer to the skill involved, in re-covering a pool table.

To do the job correctly, you should have, (A) two hands, and (B) be able to lift over 400 lbs. unassisted!
And, you must also be able to instantly recognize a 'wrinkle', when you see one!..Then, and only then, will you have the necessary skills required to graduate from 'Pool Table Mechanic' school with a passing grade! :yeah:
...(unless of course, you cheat on your tests)
 
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Hell you don't even make your own chalk or even know where it's made LOL I sure as hell knew you didn't cover your own table......

From Dr. Dave's website

chalk: number of shots before miscue
Magic Chalk: 15, 16 - avg: 15.5
Predator: 9, 7 - avg: 8
Great White: 12, 10 - avg: 11
Master: 9, 10 avg: 9.5

Maybe you should have someone else make your chalk too.
 
Recovering a table is no tougher than wallpaperimg, hanging siding, roofing, putting in a light fixture....anybody with a table and basic handyman skills can do it.

With all due respect, if that were true, then every table installation by a Olhausen and Brunswick dealer would be perfect, but they are not.
 
you're kidding, right?

I've tried Great White....and Magic Chalk....and Predator and Kamui and probably a few others. They're all nice, other than Kamui makes a bloody mess on the cue ball. There's no reason to slam ChicagoRJ in some random thread about covering your table.
 
I've tried Great White....and Magic Chalk....and Predator and Kamui and probably a few others. They're all nice, other than Kamui makes a bloody mess on the cue ball. There's no reason to slam ChicagoRJ in some random thread about covering your table.


I hear ya... But
Pretty sure he was just kidding.



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It makes me sick what people are paying to setup tables, I think I might take this on as a side job. People really should try and do this themselves at least once before calling a installer. I'm really anal when it comes to setting up mine and my friends table from using machinest levels on the frame work, then the slate. Corner squares for 90* corners and straight edges for the side rails. The hardest part is folding the rails. Which I think someone could easily skip the rails if they were scared to mess up the first time.
Try it once!!!! Level, square,cover with cloth! Watch YouTube if you need, only takes a few hours. Enough pool league guys at least 1 of em knows how to do it, have him help you, play on his table setup for a season then strip it down and do it to your standards! My rant is over! Please carry on

I'm not familiar with you. How good a player are you? High run in 14.1?
 
It makes me sick what people are paying to setup tables,

This is a serious question. What prices do you see table owners paying for setups. Do the prices include cloth? What do the setups involve?
 
This is a serious question. What prices do you see table owners paying for setups. Do the prices include cloth? What do the setups involve?

Exactly. Simonis alone now is $330 retail for a 9' table. In California I would say labor is roughly $250 - $300 for a complete re-cloth. (The last table guy who covered for me charged $250 for the Simonis).

The same person who pays $1000 for a cue won't spend $300 labor for a quality re-cloth and leveling?
 
Exactly. Simonis alone now is $330 retail for a 9' table. In California I would say labor is roughly $250 - $300 for a complete re-cloth. (The last table guy who covered for me charged $250 for the Simonis).

The same person who pays $1000 for a cue won't spend $300 labor for a quality re-cloth and leveling?

Wow. I had no idea cloth was that expensive. I'm sure installers must get a hefty discount (hope they do anyhow) but still, that's pricey!
 
Exactly. Simonis alone now is $330 retail for a 9' table. In California I would say labor is roughly $250 - $300 for a complete re-cloth. (The last table guy who covered for me charged $250 for the Simonis).

The same person who pays $1000 for a cue won't spend $300 labor for a quality re-cloth and leveling?

I suppose a big difference is whether the table owner is seeking a setup to satisfy recreational users or serious players.

Regardless, from what I know of the cost of work by people like Glen and Mark, their prices are more than fair.
 
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Wow. I had no idea cloth was that expensive. I'm sure installers must get a hefty discount (hope they do anyhow) but still, that's pricey!

Expensive? Not really. The Simonis on my table was installed in 1998 and doesn't warrant replacement.
 
Expensive? Not really. The Simonis on my table was installed in 1998 and doesn't warrant replacement.

Didn't mean to imply it wasn't a good value! :) I've never owned a table so I just didn't know what it cost. On the other hand, I just looked up what replacement cushions cost and even Brunswick cushions are pretty cheap compared to what I thought they would be.
 
The conversation was about doing your own table. I did my own table and it's fine. That's why I posted. That's what this thread was about until you jumped in acting like you're the most important person on earth. You're so amazing.

You should learn to read. The OP was not defending doing his own table, he was criticizing everyone who had a mechanic do their table work.

The thread title:

" Why pay to recover table"

and the opening line:

"It makes me sick what people are paying to setup tables. . . "

make his agenda blindingly clear to anyone who reads it with a modicum of objectivity.

As is the hard-on you have for RKC. He may act a bit of an ass here but he has the redeeming quality that by all reports he is very very very good at what he does. What is YOUR redeeming quality?
 
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