Charles Lakey Draw Stroke

BeiberLvr said:
For those of you with no Facebook game, Charles Lakey is a trick shot artist that comes up with some really gnarly stuff.

Here's a short video of him demonstrating his draw stroke. Figured some of you might enjoy.


https://www.facebook.com/charles.lakey/posts/10206555740438293


The video is public, so I don't think you need to have an account to watch.
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Well, they allowed me to watch it, Beibs.....good stroke.

...didn't think I'd get to see the vid....
...'cause I'm a no-account SOB
 
nice shot for sure
lets figure he started at the 2nd diamond
so 6 dimonds to the ball and 8 diamonds back is 14 diamonds draw
the cue ball wasnt dieing so it could be alittle more
HERE IS A DRAW SHOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnxQWe_OTg
3 diamonds there
7 diamonds back
8 diamond back again
18 DIAMONDS ....:eek::eek:
i realize starting farther away its tougher to maintain the spin
so it is NOT apples to apples
 
Mike came through Tallahassee a few times when I was young and did some amazing tricks shots. When he left all of us spent a few weeks trying to do those shots. It didn't take long for us to give up.
 
It can be done with or without elbow drop. Plenty of vids of snooker players not elbow dropping and snatching the rub out from under the ball from another galaxy.


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Nice shot BUT the first thing i noticed was his grip tightening during delivery (you can see forearm muscles tightening and knuckles of the grip hand going white during delivery).with this flaw there is another one connected: no backswing pause-it is essential to do backswing pause as your tricepc needs to relax first for your arm to do smooth forward motion next.also he is accelerating in his last backswing-no need to do that,he is ruining his preshooting routine by doing this.last thing i noticed-he raised his head-shoulder-torso during his delivery which is big no-no when you want to be accurate.thats my view on his technique.once he corrects those flaws his misses will go down by 60-70% ;) so he may be great player/trickshot artist but still he can really improve big time :wink:
 
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greyghost said:
It can be done with or without elbow drop. Plenty of vids of snooker players not elbow dropping and snatching the rub out from under the ball from another galaxy.


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Correct. There are snooker players who could hit that draw on a 12 foot table.

However, as someone who plays both, I have to admit it doesn't quite work the same with pool. In snooker you can stroke with a fairly vicious snap to get very high cue speed even with the traditionally short compact snooker stroke and given the stiff tapered ash cue and very light ball, it's easy to get a clean draw with a hard snap motion because the ball resists the cue so little. A pro taper maple shaft pushing the heavier pool ball, however, will tend be more difficult to get clean draw with a harsh snap through the ball unless the tip is very hard, the taper stiff, and the cue a little heavier. As of late I've been noticing that if I'm not playing in perfect form and I attempt start my stroke by releasing the tension in my arm and letting it snap through as fast as it likes as in snooker, my tip contact may be a little less dependable so I'm trying to start off my final stroke a little slower and then accelerate, even though this makes it harder to get up to the same maximum cue speed without adding several more inches to the backswing.

The video? Pfft, anybody who can stroke in a straight line can do that with a big lift backswing standing tall over the table. That's the difference between trick shot guys and actual players, the players hit these shots from their normal shooting position and build their fundamentals for careful speed control not showy CB action. Do that from the same shooting position with the same backswing you'd use to run a 4 pack in 10 ball... No really, a good stroke should be able to draw the CB like that with a normal backswing and face at table level.
 
bbb said:
nice shot for sure
lets figure he started at the 2nd diamond
so 6 dimonds to the ball and 8 diamonds back is 14 diamonds draw
the cue ball wasnt dieing so it could be alittle more
HERE IS A DRAW SHOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnxQWe_OTg
3 diamonds there
7 diamonds back
8 diamond back again
18 DIAMONDS ....:eek::eek:
i realize starting farther away its tougher to maintain the spin
so it is NOT apples to apples
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Watch this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNGsN0cMoE
 
bbb said:
nice shot for sure
lets figure he started at the 2nd diamond
so 6 dimonds to the ball and 8 diamonds back is 14 diamonds draw
the cue ball wasnt dieing so it could be alittle more
HERE IS A DRAW SHOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnxQWe_OTg
3 diamonds there
7 diamonds back
8 diamond back again
18 DIAMONDS ....:eek::eek:
i realize starting farther away its tougher to maintain the spin
so it is NOT apples to apples
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I've done 7 there and 8 back plus 8(and a little) back again on a 9' anniversary w/760 Simonis. Don't know if I coulda gotten more, cause that was exactly what I needed.
So by this math 23 Diamonds
Jason
 
jburkm002 said:
Can that be done with any cue?

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It can be a little more difficult to get extreme draw at long distance with a lighter cue/ more flexible shaft/softer tip, as there comes a point where too much of your energy is going to spin and not enough is launching the CB forward so the added spin is gone before the CB arrives on target. As with anything, there are tradeoffs, the cues that allow the most flexibility with spin/speed ratio over the majority of shots may not be ideal at the extreme ends of the spectrum.

Note also that the lower a shaft's deflection, the less they push a CB away from them...so with draw that means the CB is not being lifted away from the cloth while it's being spun initially. So when you need to really launch the CB across the table before the spin can wear off, an LD shaft is at a slight disadvantage compared to standard shaft that gives the CB a little starting lift on a big draw shot.

But yes, a disciplined stroke should be able accomplish this even with a house cue as long as the tip isn't too flat.
 
Sorry I don't have time to find a link to my favorite: a TAR video interview with SVB where he puts the OB in the middle of table, CB in the jaws of a corner pocket, fires the OB into the opposite corner pocket and draw the CB back into the original corner pocket.

He showed the shot in reply to a "do you do drills?" question. His answer was "No, but if I feel like my draw isn't working properly, I do this (the shot above). Best I've ever done is 10 times without a miss."
 
Think it's easier off the rails. Using an old school Meucci is cheating. Lol. Those cues could draw better than any cue I ever tried.

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jburkm002 said:
Think it's easier off the rails. Using an old school Meucci is cheating. Lol. Those cues could draw better than any cue I ever tried.

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Yep. Mine was with a 333 series Meucci(the green inlay one) best cueball control EVER!!!
Jason
 
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