Let's Make Sure There's a One Pocket Hall of Fame Dinner This Year @ DCC!!

[wayne]

Wayne, you have somehow chosen to ignore the reasons for my 'attacks' on Mr3-IQ!..His every post, was filled with profanity laced innuendos, and outright lies, about my character and morals!..My good friends, like Billy I., Jay Helfert and many others, came to my defense..Mr3-IQ ignored them all!..You are right about one thing, it did lead to my being banned..but it was well worth it, being able to expose him for the sorry excuse for a human being, he has always been!

Sorry I didn't really follow much of your back and forth. Glad it was worth it but I think most everyone was aware that his postings were weird and he got sent to jail in the members section, too bad you were his cellmate.

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

It would be pretty dumb of me to think you would want to post there. Of course I never said that. I would be a clown if I thought you would subject it to a vote, of course I never suggested you should do that.

I knew Freddie was dying before Billy posted it on the forum or his daughter posted it on Facebook. The fact you attacked Billy 2 years after the fact was really strange.

I would have been attacked even more if I had attacked BI at the time (in 2014) for violating his friend's trust. Out of respect for Freddy, who I liked quite a bit, I kept silent for 2 years so as not to distract from Freddy's illness.

Tell me which was the worse offense; him breaking Freddy's trust or me pointing it out.

P.S. More than one person knew how bad Freddy was without starting a thread about it in direct contradiction to Freddy's wishes.

Dennis

Tell me something Wayne since you're so big into being correct and all;

BI wrote his post on 5-31-2014 and I replied to it sometime earlier this year. At what point in between then and my post would you have considered it "not strange" to have called him out for violating his friend's trust? I saw it as soon as he posted it but refrained out of respect for Freddy.

Do you not find it "strange" that a person who claims to be a man's friend would violate his dying last wishes of him?

Dennis

 

[SJDinPHX]

Sorry I didn't really follow much of your back and forth. Glad it was worth it but I think most everyone was aware that his postings were weird and he got sent to jail in the members section, too bad you were his cellmate.

So I guess what you are saying is.."I didn't follow you and Mr3-IQ's back and forth, so how could I possibly have
known what was going on"?..Is that correct?..Then why would you conjure up a post, making me the bad guy?

PS..And BTW..He made 1001 'weird' posts..I didn't respond to the last one!..I catch on quick!..

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

Tell me something Wayne since you're so big into being correct and all;

BI wrote his post on 5-31-2014 and I replied to it sometime earlier this year. At what point in between then and my post would you have considered it "not strange" to have called him out for violating his friend's trust? I saw it as soon as he posted it but refrained out of respect for Freddy.

Do you not find it "strange" that a person who claims to be a man's friend would violate his dying last wishes of him?

Dennis

So I guess what you are saying is.."I didn't follow you and Mr3-IQ's back and forth, so how could I possibly have
known what was going on"?..Is that correct?..Then why would you conjure up a post, making me the bad guy?

PS..And BTW..He made 1001 'weird' posts..I didn't respond to the last one!..I catch on quick!..

Dearest FDR,

Don't you know that when and if you post 5 minutes after I post people will think we are conspiring here? You are an idiot.

P.S. Don't ever call me again.

RBL

 

[SJDinPHX]

i have not read thru this thread forgive me..but if you want a hall of fame dinner in 2018 send your money to steve booth at onepocket.org..If you dont send money to support it then you have no validation to criticizes if it does not happen, and you are a nit who just wants to hate
jmho

Larry, I don't want to be thought of, as a 'nit', or a 'hater'..But I can't access Steve's account, because I am banned!!!!
..So would you, and Cowgirl Denise please send him some money for me..Thank you!..:yeah:

 

[Miller]

Larry, I don't want to be thought of, as a 'nit', or a 'hater'..But I can't access Steve's account, because I am banned!!!!
..So would you, and Cowgirl Denise please send him some money for me..Thank you!..:yeah:

got you covered old timer.....

:wink:

 

[bbb]

Larry, I don't want to be thought of, as a 'nit', or a 'hater'..But I can't access Steve's account, because I am banned!!!!
..So would you, and Cowgirl Denise please send him some money for me..Thank you!..:yeah:

i would be happy to ,,,,,:grin:

 

[kollegedave]

To set the record a little straighter on the 3 regular posters who were banned from 1p org forum:

1. Cowboy Dennis - a good contributor at 1p org a lot of the time but a massive hater at other times reached a point of critical mass when he attacked Billy Incardona with a very hateful message. Billy drew a line in the sand either he was done or Cowboy went. Since Cowboy had a history of hating and Billy was a very well liked poster = Cowboy got booted off the island. (My guess is he would be welcomed back if he could get over whatever causes him to go off on people the way he would because a lot of people liked him and his contributions).

2. SJDinPhx - in 1 pocket Hall of Fame. Very knowledgeable one pocket player who would occasionally post very worthwhile information or stories. Most of the time spent hating. Was reduced to a separate section for Members Only where about his last 1,000 posts were to attack another poster who was reduced to Members Only (Mr3cushion). No matter what Mr3cushion posted SJD would attack. His obsession with pointing out everything wrong with this poster relentlessly and adding pretty much nothing else led to his ban.

3. Lou Figueroa - Occasionally interesting and informative posts, a good contributor on some occasions. Mostly into bashing, knocking and making nothing of people and their posts. Reached a point of critical mass in one of the most viewed and most posted threads ever on one pocket org (it was a sub thread because Lou had derailed the original thread). He bashed Billy Incardona, attacked Tom Wirth (one of the nicest guys and a one pocket author), attacked and bashed about 15 other posters, knocked the threads others like to post in and after his rampage which was the last straw in a long history of hating and knocking = he was finally gone. (This only covers the last portion of his history of hating, attacking and knocking).

If Cowboy Dennis and SJD came to their senses regarding their negative posting behavior and a vote was taken at 1 pocket org I do believe they would be welcomed back.

With Lou he has one close friend who would welcome him back and 1 poster
who could never believe anything bad about Lou (one poster commented that if he was a friend of Jeffrey Dahmer he would think Jeffrey just had an eating problem). Other than these 2 I don't know of anyone who misses Lou or would want him back.

O.k., so I try to stay out of this stuff, but I would like Lou back.

It seems to me that there is a population online that cherishes unnecessary conflict and a lack of civility. I do not want to participate in that...ever.

The fact is, 1pocket.org, without Lou and San Jose Dick, is a much less interesting place. I believe both, Lou and San Joes Dick have a lot to offer by way of stories and knowledge. I do wish they would spend more time passing on their knowledge, good ideas, and fun stories and less time in conflict. It is easy for a lot of us to think that valuable communication can be done some other day, but none of us are guaranteed tomorrow.

From my perspective, Steve has made a mistake in banning them.

kollegedave

 

[SJDinPHX]

....The fact is, 1pocket.org, without Lou and San Jose Dick, is a much less interesting place. I believe both, Lou and San Joes Dick have a lot to offer by way of stories and knowledge. I do wish they would spend more time passing on their knowledge, good ideas, and fun stories and less time in conflict. It is easy for a lot of us to think that valuable communication can be done some other day, but none of us are guaranteed tomorrow.

From my perspective, Steve has made a mistake in banning them.

kollegedave

Thank you Dave..Your opinion has been shared often, by many!..But mostly by email, PM or phone..The members over there tend
to be somewhat timid, when it comes to expressing any dissatisfaction with mgmt. decisions, via live posts on the forum!

 

[JAM]

Thank you Dave..Your opinion has been shared often, by many!..But mostly by email, PM or phone..The members over there tend
to be somewhat timid, when it comes to expressing any dissatisfaction with mgmt. decisions, via live posts on the forum!

With all due respect, if it wasn't for that website and Steve, you would not be in the One Pocket Hall of Fame. It is because of his efforts that there is one that exists.

You should drop this topic. I understand you miss being over there.

I remember when you were inducted in the Hall of Fame. You could not make it because of health reasons. People came to you and wished you well and gave you praise in your absence.

If there was not that One Pocket Hall of Fame, I would have not heard of you before, though Keith says knows who you are. I realize you were probably working 9-to-5 job when I was more involved in pool pre-Keith.

 

[watchez]

With all due respect, if it wasn't for that website and Steve, you would not be in the One Pocket Hall of Fame. It is because of his efforts that there is one that exists.

You should drop this topic. I understand you miss being over there.

I remember when you were inducted in the Hall of Fame. You could not make it because of health reasons. People came to you and wished you well and gave you praise in your absence.

If there was not that One Pocket Hall of Fame, I would have not heard of you before, though Keith says knows who you are. I realize you were probably working 9-to-5 job when I was more involved in pool pre-Keith.

Either that or no one really heard of him but a select few. It's like putting a 15 year backup QB in the NFL hall of fame. He was maybe seen but definitely not heard from.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Either that or no one really heard of him but a select few. It's like putting a 15 year backup QB in the NFL hall of fame. He was maybe seen but definitely not heard from.

All this from a guy who nobody knows, except for hanging on the backs of pool players to get his picture taken, and for butting into pool forum threads, with very little sensible input!..Anyone with half a brain knows that staying undercover, has always insured more action, besides, I was never really into seeking notoriety!..BTW--Jam may not have known me, but I noticed she acknowledged that Keith did!

I don't know (or care) what your real name is, but I will make you a serious $$$ wager!..Let someone randomly ask any 100 knowledgeable gambling pool players, which name they are more familiar with, yours, Johnny Vivus, Joe Balsis, or mine?..You can get major odds on the money, it will be mine! (like maybe 50 to 1)

I'm not comparing myself with Johnny or Joe, they were great champions! ..Just trying to make you aware, that time will always erode our memories! ..I'm sure thousands more watched them in tournament play then myself, but those are mostly just spectators, not players!..In any event, neither one traveled around much, seeking action everywhere like I did!..Consequently, I had much more personal interaction, (1 on 1) with a great many more players!..Thats what I'm basing my assumption (ie; wager) on!

PS..Don't you ever get tired of being made to look foolish?

 

[watchez]

All this from a guy who nobody knows, except for hanging on the backs of pool players to get his picture taken, and for butting into pool forum threads, with very little sensible input!..Anyone with half a brain knows that staying undercover, has always insured more action, besides, I was never really into seeking notoriety!..BTW--Jam may not have known me, but I noticed she acknowledged that Keith did!

I don't know (or care) what your real name is, but I will make you a serious $$$ wager!..Let someone randomly ask any 100 knowledgeable gambling pool players, which name they are more familiar with, yours, Johnny Vivus, Joe Balsis, or mine?..You can get major odds on the money, it will be mine! (like maybe 50 to 1)

I'm not comparing myself with Johnny or Joe, they were great champions! ..Just trying to make you aware, that time will always erode our memories! ..I'm sure thousands more watched them in tournament play then myself, but those are mostly just spectators, not players!..In any event, neither one traveled around much, seeking action everywhere like I did!..Consequently, I had much more personal interaction, (1 on 1) with a great many more players!..Thats what I'm basing my assumption (ie; wager) on!

PS..Don't you ever get tired of being made to look foolish?

Since you traveled so much - name the 3 best one pocket players of St Louis in the 1970s/1980s. (Google won't help you. But surely a player of your caliber and one who proclaims to have been around and played them all would know).

Also - come to the DCC next year. Let's walk the halls together. I'll give you a $100 for everyone that stops to say hello to you as a HOFer. You can give me $5000 for everyone that stops me and simply knows my name (since I'm a nobody and you offered 50-1).

 

[1pocket]

O.k., so I try to stay out of this stuff, but I would like Lou back.

It seems to me that there is a population online that cherishes unnecessary conflict and a lack of civility. I do not want to participate in that...ever.

The fact is, 1pocket.org, without Lou and San Jose Dick, is a much less interesting place. I believe both, Lou and San Joes Dick have a lot to offer by way of stories and knowledge. I do wish they would spend more time passing on their knowledge, good ideas, and fun stories and less time in conflict. It is easy for a lot of us to think that valuable communication can be done some other day, but none of us are guaranteed tomorrow.

From my perspective, Steve has made a mistake in banning them.

kollegedave

Dave, like they say in legal circles, in full disclosure (do they really say that, lol), aren't you and Lou basically both from St. Louis, so you're sticking up for a long time pool bud that you know well from real life, as opposed to the internet? I probably would too if I were in your shoes.

Making a decision to ban someone is not easy -- especially in a small kind of tight knit community like One Pocket players, who have always been a minority among pool players. Anyone who has followed onepocket.org knows I have a long leash for members, and very, very few banned members over the 12 years we have been up. Also, I have NO corporate sponsorship so I don't have to worry about them getting turned off, so that makes it even easier for me to be extra lenient, which I am in comparison to most forums.

But what happens eventually if certain trouble generating posters persist hard enough, is that I get way too many other regular members telling me that they're out of there unless the tenor changes. And I'm not even talking about the victims of the digs and "fun" that are often the source of the conflicts -- you expect victims to complain lol. I'm talking about just average unaligned readers who get turned off by the bickering and attacks and counterattacks when they get too bad. And you know that for every person I get a PM or a phone call from, there are a bunch of others that don't like what they are reading but they aren't the type to speak up. And then there are the lurkers and perspective new members -- yes, I care about them too.

The recurrent perpetrators presumably have fairly thick skins or they wouldn't stomach flame wars they way they obviously do. But most readers at least by my anecdotal reckoning, do not. But thankfully, genuine cyber bullies -- as opposed to posters who are simply passionate, opinionated, misguided, impulsive or over reactive in the heat of an argument -- are few and far between.

I agree with you that both Lou and Dick actually have a lot to offer. It's just that unfortunately they often seem to prefer a good flame war over sharing interesting information. So I guess it's a mistake I will have to live with rather than living with the stress of the trail of flames that they bring with them. But I agree with you, it's a damn shame.

 

[SJDinPHX]

With all due respect, if it wasn't for that website and Steve, you would not be in the One Pocket Hall of Fame. It is because of his efforts that there is one that exists. You should drop this topic. I understand you miss being over there.

I remember when you were inducted in the Hall of Fame. You could not make it because of health reasons. People came to you and wished you well and gave you praise in your absence.

If there was not that One Pocket Hall of Fame, I would have not heard of you before, though Keith says knows who you are. I realize you were probably working 9-to-5 job when I was more involved in pool pre-Keith.

Jam, I will try to be brief..You seem to be confused on some important issues!..I have never expressed anything but appreciation for Steve's creation of the site, and the HOF!.. No one could have done it better!..But you, nor Keith, nor anyone else, was privvy to the 'back n' forth' between us, that led to his decision to ban me, in fact, I have even stated in public, I may have deserved it!

Those people you mentioned, who wished me well at my induction, knew me in real life, as opposed to the cranky (some say bitter) old man I may have become on the forum!..However, I felt most of my verbal tirades, were in defense of the profane name calling, and outright lies, a few of my adversaries were constantly throwing at me..I was never very good at taking s**t from anybody!

My differences, and ultimate displeasure with Steve, did not take place until it became obvious whose side he was taking in the ongoing verbal conflicts with those adversaries!..However, I did give him my word, even after I was banned, that I would never speak ill of 1P.org...I have, and always will keep it!....Do I sometimes wish things had came out differently? Yes!..But would I have done anything differently?...Probably not!..That would not be me!

Best to you and Keith

Dick

 

[SJDinPHX]

Dave, like they say in legal circles, in full disclosure (do they really say that, lol), aren't you and Lou basically both from St. Louis, so you're sticking up for a long time pool bud that you know well from real life, as opposed to the internet? I probably would too if I were in your shoes.

Making a decision to ban someone is not easy -- especially in a small kind of tight knit community like One Pocket players, who have always been a minority among pool players. Anyone who has followed onepocket.org knows I have a long leash for members, and very, very few banned members over the 12 years we have been up. Also, I have NO corporate sponsorship so I don't have to worry about them getting turned off, so that makes it even easier for me to be extra lenient, which I am in comparison to most forums.

But what happens eventually if certain trouble generating posters persist hard enough, is that I get way too many other regular members telling me that they're out of there unless the tenor changes. And I'm not even talking about the victims of the digs and "fun" that are often the source of the conflicts -- you expect victims to complain lol. I'm talking about just average unaligned readers who get turned off by the bickering and attacks and counterattacks when they get too bad. And you know that for every person I get a PM or a phone call from, there are a bunch of others that don't like what they are reading but they aren't the type to speak up. And then there are the lurkers and perspective new members -- yes, I care about them too.

The recurrent perpetrators presumably have fairly thick skins or they wouldn't stomach flame wars they way they obviously do. But most readers at least by my anecdotal reckoning, do not. But thankfully, genuine cyber bullies -- as opposed to posters who are simply passionate, opinionated, misguided, impulsive or over reactive in the heat of an argument -- are few and far between.

I agree with you that both Lou and Dick actually have a lot to offer. It's just that unfortunately they often seem to prefer a good flame war over sharing interesting information. So I guess it's a mistake I will have to live with rather than living with the stress of the trail of flames that they bring with them. But I agree with you, it's a damn shame.

Good to see you finally put that out there Steve!..But I must ask, where was your 'sensible, fair minded logic', in allowing Mr3cushion to stay, while you chose to ban me?..Was he less vulgar and profane, or was he just flaming less than me?

PS..No real need to respond, I guess we've been over it too many times already!

 

[HawaiianEye]

Jam, I will try to be brief..You seem to be confused on some important issues!..I have never expressed anything but appreciation for Steve's creation of the site, and the HOF!.. No one could have done it better!..But you, nor Keith, nor anyone else, was privvy to the 'back and forth' between us, that led to his decision to ban me!..In fact, I have even stated in public, I may have deserved it!

Those people you mentioned, who wished me well at my induction, knew me in real life, as opposed to the cranky (some say bitter) old man I may have become on the forum!..However, I felt most of my verbal tirades, were in defense of the profane name calling, and outright lies, a few of my adversaries were constantly throwing at me..I was never very good at taking s**t from anybody!

My differences, and ultimate resentment toward Steve, did not take place until it became obvious whose side he was taking in the ongoing verbal conflicts with those adversaries!..However, I did give him my word, even after I was banned, that I would never speak ill of 1P.org...I have, and always will keep it!....Do I sometimes wish things had came out differently? Yes!..But would I have done anything differently?...Probably not!..That would not be me!

Best to you and Keith

Dick

The problem is that you keep speaking of "it" (1P.org). You bring it up, then somebody makes a comment about something over there, and then the "old BS" stories about "them vs you" starts all over again.

The easiest thing to do would be to forget the place even existed.

As far as your comment about more people knowing you than Joe Balsis, I'm going to say I heard of Joe Balsis 50 years ago and I never heard of you until I found 1P.org way back when.

You probably played "lights out" at one-pocket, but that game was never a mainstream game. Nobody ever even talked about one-pocket except the old players. I worked in a pool hall as a kid and NOBODY played one-pocket except the guys who couldn't compete against the younger players who ran racks playing 9-ball.

I'm not saying they weren't good players, I'm saying it was a "unique" game that DIDN'T interest many people, except the people playing it and maybe betting on the side.

If there was 9-ball action going on one table and one-pocket on another, the MAJORITY of the people watching would be over at the 9-ball table.

One-pocket is a good game, it just isn't a game for the "majority" of the playing populace. It takes too long, it is boring to watch, and not many people play it.

On another note, the player's personality has a lot to do with their being "famous" more than their "talent". I've known tons of people who were "famous" for gambling and playing that couldn't play a lick. It was just that they liked to gamble, stayed in action, and held their own with spots and giving out spots. Prime example are Scooter and Dippy Dave. I will guarantee tons of more people know them than they do a lot of people who play a hell of a lot better.

Winning, losing, betting, or playing for marbles, Earl will draw more people to watch him than will go to the table where Soquet and Holmann are playing.

 

[SJDinPHX]

The problem is that you keep speaking of "it" (1P.org). You bring it up, then somebody makes a comment about something over there, and then the "old BS" stories about "them vs you" starts all over again.

The easiest thing to do would be to forget the place even existed.

As far as your comment about more people knowing you than Joe Balsis, I'm going to say I heard of Joe Balsis 50 years ago and I never heard of you until I found 1P.org way back when.

You probably played "lights out" at one-pocket, but that game was never a mainstream game. Nobody ever even talked about one-pocket except the old players. I worked in a pool hall as a kid and NOBODY played one-pocket except the guys who couldn't compete against the younger players who ran racks playing 9-ball.

I'm not saying they weren't good players, I'm saying it was a "unique" game that DIDN'T interest many people, except the people playing it and maybe betting on the side.

If there was 9-ball action going on one table and one-pocket on another, the MAJORITY of the people watching would be over at the 9-ball table.

One-pocket is a good game, it just isn't a game for the "majority" of the playing populace. It takes too long, it is boring to watch, and not many people play it.

On another note, the player's personality has a lot to do with their being "famous" more than their "talent". I've known tons of people who were "famous" for gambling and playing that couldn't play a lick. It was just that they liked to gamble, stayed in action, and held their own with spots and giving out spots. Prime example are Scooter and Dippy Dave. I will guarantee tons of more people know them than they do a lot of people who play a hell of a lot better.

Winning, losing, betting, or playing for marbles, Earl will draw more people to watch him than will go to the table where Soquet and Holmann are playing.

I wondered when you going to bless us with your extremely opinionated 'pool wisdom'?..As usual, you missed the whole point about Balsis and Vivus, and recognition..but no matter!..Also, we are all well aware that people will gravitate toward watching gamblers, like Scooter or Viffer, moreso than the average good pool player, as gambling is what makes our little world go round ....What is your point?

And once again, your inbred distaste for one pocket, comes shining through!..No one ever said it was a 'mainstream game', but ever since its inception, its been very popular with top players!..Are you forgetting Fats, LA Richie, and RA?..Or more currently, Alex P., Frost, Chohan and many others, who have made it the game they most prefer to gamble at?.. Can you deny that?

I have often admitted, that 1P may never overcome 8/9/10 ball, for popularity..Those games will always be the first choice for 'non-playing spectators' to watch!..Are you saying you are a 'non-playing spectator', who knows nothing about the finer points of the game, and only wants to watch Earl make tough shots?

I'm sorry Mr.Eye..It just pains me to see you constantly bad mouth the game of 1P...What other game demands banking, speed control, safety play and ball running skills, better than 1P?..I am shocked, that with the years of experience you say have, that you still appear blind to this fact!

PS..And Mr.Eye, please cease your redundant rhetoric, re; 1P, if you'd care for any further discussion with moi!..I would much rather drink, and play with the girls!

 

[SJDinPHX]

Since you traveled so much - name the 3 best one pocket players of St Louis in the 1970s/1980s. (Google won't help you. But surely a player of your caliber and one who proclaims to have been around and played them all would know).

The few times I wasted stopping in St. Louis, there was not enough $5 action from your 'three great players' to warrant staying for over 20 minutes, so I crossed it off my list!.. (much better action in Podunk, Ark.) Thanks anyway

 

[watchez]

The few times I wasted stopping in St. Louis, there was not enough $5 action from your 'three great players' to warrant staying for over 20 minutes, so I crossed it off my list!.. (much better action in Podunk, Ark.) Thanks anyway

Yeah that's why Cooney spent over 6 months here at least twice and was here countless other times. Oh wait, he's a real HOF one pocket player.