Is Max Eberle as big as a goof as I now think?

[book collector]

I was just talking to my friend about this.

I realized how bizarre it is for me to have the interests that I have (MMA and Pool), because when I post on these forums, I find myself COMPLETELY out of place.

I have both College and University degrees (College and University are different things in Canada), I read 20 or 30 science books every year, I drop in on University lectures for casual interest sometimes, I have very intellectual friends who are in Ph.D programs, etc. etc. And I do environmental research / writing for a living. I am a genuine geek.

And then I come here, and find myself SURROUNDED by twits, fools and cretins trying to sell me absurd nonsense, flat earthism, creationism, global warming is a mythism, whatever. The most anti-intellectual rubbish you can think of.

I honestly don't understand what attracts me to these hobbies... But here I am.

Thank you, for showering us with the awesomeness of your presence.

 

[Bob Jewett]

It really doesn't matter if it's mountains, ships, or buildings. Unless you're debating the equation used for the curvature of 8 inches per mile squared, the peak of the mountain should have been below the horizon. (By horizon, I mean, below the terrain in front of the mountain).

I think you have the geometry quite wrong. But if you want to believe what the FE crackpot had to say in his video, feel free.

 

[Dan White]

And I do environmental research / writing for a living...

And then I come here, and find myself SURROUNDED by twits, fools and cretins trying to sell me absurd nonsense, flat earthism, creationism, global warming is a mythism, whatever.

OK, I'll bite. What good research have you read that makes you believe in AGW?

Follow up question: Do you make your living from global warming grant money?

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

That's great. I am a scientist too. Review the vid and explain how the mountains can be seen, when of course, they should be below the line of sight due to the curvature of the earth.

You telling people how "qualified" you are, frankly means nothing.

Buying a chemistry set doesn't make you a "scientist". If you don't see the glaring flaw in his assumptions or theories, I'd ask your school for your money back, and you should forfeit your "degree".

 

[BmoreMoney]

Exactly what I thought. You have plenty of time to spend posting on a Billiards forum, but zero time to back up your ad hominem attacks.

For the record, I have stated that I don't necessarily believe in the flat earth. However, I do know that we are being lied to about many, many things by those in power.

If somehow I was in a situation where I was forced to state what I believe is really going on in this world, I would have to say that I'm leaning towards the scenario that this world is more like a very good virtual reality simulation of sorts. (And yes, there is evidence to support this theory -- look up videos by Tom Campbell for an introduction -- oh, but you don't have time for that either I'm sure ).

The same question I ask all of them : why??? What is to be gained by anyone with tricking us to think round? Soon as I hear anything to that I'll keep an open mind but I've got to hear that first. As to your other comment, I commented earlier in this thread about holographic theory, and yes I could believe that way easier the this FE stuff .

 

[skip100]

Mental illness is real.

 

[westcoast]

I was just talking to my friend about this.

I realized how bizarre it is for me to have the interests that I have (MMA and Pool), because when I post on these forums, I find myself COMPLETELY out of place.

I have both College and University degrees (College and University are different things in Canada), I read 20 or 30 science books every year, I drop in on University lectures for casual interest sometimes, I have very intellectual friends who are in Ph.D programs, etc. etc. And I do environmental research / writing for a living. I am a genuine geek.

And then I come here, and find myself SURROUNDED by twits, fools and cretins trying to sell me absurd nonsense, flat earthism, creationism, global warming is a mythism, whatever. The most anti-intellectual rubbish you can think of.

I honestly don't understand what attracts me to these hobbies... But here I am.

rational thought went out the window for a substantial portion of the population in the last decade or so. Quite sad actually.

 

[BmoreMoney]

rational thought went out the window for a substantial portion of the population in the last decade or so. Quite sad actually.

You're speaking of the coming of age Millenials, but it started much earlier - birth- childhood While I don't disagree with this, EVERY GENERATION has said the same of the next, and probably been right lol.

 

[MuchoBurrito]

Exactly what I thought. You have plenty of time to spend posting on a Billiards forum, but zero time to back up your ad hominem attacks.

For the record, I have stated that I don't necessarily believe in the flat earth. However, I do know that we are being lied to about many, many things by those in power.

If somehow I was in a situation where I was forced to state what I believe is really going on in this world, I would have to say that I'm leaning towards the scenario that this world is more like a very good virtual reality simulation of sorts. (And yes, there is evidence to support this theory -- look up videos by Tom Campbell for an introduction -- oh, but you don't have time for that either I'm sure ).

I have time to read and learn (I read a lot of science books). I don't have time to watch a high school dropout's home movie about our planet being shaped like a pizza.

Sure "we're" lied to. WMD's in Iraq. Gulf of Tonkin. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" etc. etc. etc. But a flat earth would mean that literally all the laws of physics as we know them are wrong. The problem is, they are applied to make cars and trains and planes and computers and etc etc etc. So they're not wrong.

And you assume too much btw. I'm actually familiar with the Simulated Reality theory, I read a lot of physics. I find the rationale behind the simulated reality idea difficult to argue with, each step is perfectly plausible right? (plausible being the key word... not probable). However, we also have to keep in mind that it's an inherently unfalsifiable hypothesis. A viable hypothesis ought to be subject to disconfirmation. So yes, it's a neat idea based on simple and succinct philosophical reasoning. But that's about it. (But I agree it could be true, there's just no evidence that it is. And never will be one way or the other.)

 

[BmoreMoney]

I have time to read and learn (I read a lot of science books). I don't have time to watch a high school dropout's home movie about our planet being shaped like a pizza.

Sure "we're" lied to. WMD's in Iraq. Gulf of Tonkin. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" etc. etc. etc. But a flat earth would mean that literally all the laws of physics as we know them are wrong. The problem is, they are applied to make cars and trains and planes and computers and etc etc etc. So they're not wrong.

And you assume too much btw. I'm actually familiar with the Simulated Reality theory, I read a lot of physics. I find the rationale behind the simulated reality idea difficult to argue with, each step is perfectly plausible right? (plausible being the key word... not probable). However, we also have to keep in mind that it's an inherently unfalsifiable hypothesis. A viable hypothesis ought to be subject to disconfirmation. So yes, it's a neat idea based on simple and succinct philosophical reasoning. But that's about it. (But I agree it could be true, there's just no evidence that it is. And never will be one way or the other.)

Burriro, is the Simulated Theory basically the same as the Holographic Theory?

 

[MuchoBurrito]

Burriro, is the Simulated Theory basically the same as the Holographic Theory?

No.

The Holographic principle is an idea deeply embedded in String Theory, whereby a universe with our 3 spatial dimensions can also be described mathematically using only 2 dimensions, whereby gravity emerges our of the equations as a kind of holographic projection from the 2 dimensional horizon. (Or, more accurate I think, any volume of space being described by a lower dimensional surface/boundary/horizon.)

The idea is that basically all the information needed to describe our universe with 3 spatial dimensions could be encoded on a 2 dimensional horizon of some sort.

The Holographic principle is an area of serious study for mathematical physicists and string theorists, and is involved in modelling entropy in black holes and quantum gravity. The Simulated Reality hypothesis is basically just fun philosophical speculation.

 

[BmoreMoney]

No.

The Holographic principle is an idea deeply embedded in String Theory, whereby a universe with our 3 spatial dimensions can also be described mathematically using only 2 dimensions.

The idea is that basically all the information needed to describe our universe with 3 spatial dimensions could be encoded on a 2 dimensional horizon of some sort.

The Holographic principle is an area of serious study for mathematical physicists and string theorists, and is involved in modelling entropy in black holes and some other things. The Simulated Reality hypothesis is basically just fun philosophical speculation.

Ok, I will take your word on it as I have no desire to spend more than the hour and a half I already have on it lol. However, everything you have just said ( although admittedly I am not familiar with your Simulated Theory - as I had never even heard of it till you mentioned it in this thread ) BUT, from the little I read about the Holographic Theory, what you said was correct but they took it a step further and speculated everything ( everything as to what we consider " real " ) could possibly be encoded and presented on a 2 do plane, which in turn we " humans " perceive it in 3 d and therefore absolutely " EVERYTHING WE PERCEIVE " AS " real " would in fact just be a 2d program.

 

[MuchoBurrito]

Ok, I will take your word on it as I have no desire to spend more than the hour and a half I already have on it lol. However, everything you have just said ( although admittedly I am not familiar with your Simulated Theory - as I had never even heard of it till you mentioned it in this thread ) BUT, from the little I read about the Holographic Theory, what you said was correct but they took it a step further and speculated everything ( everything as to what we consider " real " ) could possibly be encoded and presented on a 2 do plane, which in turn we " humans " perceive it in 3 d and therefore absolutely " EVERYTHING WE PERCEIVE " AS " real " would in fact just be a 2d program.

Ya that's exactly right. Although maybe the word "program" could be replaced with projection or something. There's no suggestion of intelligence or agency at work in the architecture of our universe in the holographic principle, as there is with the simulated reality idea.

And you can never learn too much physics!! XD :thumbup:

 

[BmoreMoney]

Ya that's exactly right. Although maybe the word "program" could be replaced with projection or something. There's no suggestion of intelligence or agency at work in the architecture of our universe in the holographic principle, as there is with the simulated reality idea.

And you can never learn too much physics!! XD :thumbup:

I'm truthfully not really into " conspiracies,,but I must say I found this discussion most fascinating ( I have always been a huge fan of string theory! )

 

[BmoreMoney]

Ya that's exactly right. Although maybe the word "program" could be replaced with projection or something. There's no suggestion of intelligence or agency at work in the architecture of our universe in the holographic principle, as there is with the simulated reality idea.

And you can never learn too much physics!! XD :thumbup:

And no, no " architect " was ever mentioned ( as far as what I've read ) but it certainly seems to be inferred as with the level of precision we are talking about with this DEF DOES not naturally occur naturally in nature.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

Buying a chemistry set doesn't make you a "scientist". If you don't see the glaring flaw in his assumptions or theories, I'd ask your school for your money back, and you should forfeit your "degree".

Who's talking about believing in a flat earth. I'm talking about the experiment in the video. They are not equivalent. Review the vid and point out what's wrong about the experiment.

EDIT: Just to be clear. My reason for even entering this thread and discussion, is that even though I don't necessarily believe in the flat earth -- I do believe that some of the things about our world, such as the stated curvature, may in fact be incorrect and that it is just one more thing that we are purposely being deceived about. Yes, I do believe that we can see things much further in the distance than the commonly accepted and taught curvature of the earth would allow.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

The same question I ask all of them : why??? What is to be gained by anyone with tricking us to think round? Soon as I hear anything to that I'll keep an open mind but I've got to hear that first. As to your other comment, I commented earlier in this thread about holographic theory, and yes I could believe that way easier the this FE stuff .

Ahhhh....that is a good question -- why? To me the answer is obvious. If the population understands the "true nature" of the world that we live in, let's just say that it was designed and created, it would highlight some other obvious questions and conclusions that those in power would rather everyone not entertain.

EDIT: Look no further than some of the Hillary and Podesta emails. They want to keep the population ignorant and dumbed down. People are much easier to control and manipulate if they don't understand the first thing about the reality that they are living in.

EDIT2: Some believe that the fact that the Pope, Kiril from Russia, Obama, and now John Kerry all visiting the Antarctica this year has something to do with what "they" are hiding from us about the nature of our world. I'm really not sure what is in Antarctica, but I know that it is being guarded by military and nobody is allowed there unless specifically authorized.

 

[Double-Dave]

What is to be gained by anyone with tricking us to think round?

That part at least is easy. Because of what "they" are hiding on the other side.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Who's talking about believing in a flat earth. I'm talking about the experiment in the video. They are not equivalent. Review the vid and point out what's wrong about the experiment.

Seriously....?
You DON'T see the problem with his experiment?
May I ask what type of scientist you are?

 

[Get_A_Grip]

Seriously....?
You DON'T see the problem with his experiment?
May I ask what type of scientist you are?

Nice try. Focus on the person and not the experiment. Here is a similar test to determine if something can be seen that is supposed to be below the curvature of the earth, if you don't like "mountains".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37t6iBS_q4

And if you prefer, here is an engineer that plans to perform more of a "physical" test of the curvature.
https://www.facebook.com/forcetheline