Is Max Eberle as big as a goof as I now think?

You are so obtuse I can't even explain black and white to you. The WHOLE mountain sinks 770 feet leaving the top part exposed. But in this case the top should even be under the terrain. You are picking at ridiculous points and subtle wording that you think somehow proofs that the facts are not the facts. Please tell me that you're not married.

Yep. I'm married. She's a high school math teacher. We're both getting a great laugh from you. Keep going. This stuff is comedic gold.
 
Oh....that's an easy one. Civilian rocket that they were trying to send into space got about 73 miles and hit something and could go no further. Some speculate that this is the firmament described in the Bible, and some believe that it is a type of liquid. :thumbup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4

Oh, and that balloon vid was filmed with a fish-eye lense. Everything looks curved through those things.


The old million man conspiracy eh :rotflmao:
 
That depends on the exact profile of the terrain between the two peaks and the camera angle chosen. You have failed to provide the requested terrain contour, so nothing can be deduced from the FE idiot's video.

It is unfortunate that such a video can take in so many sloppy thinkers.
So far, I haven't seen you provide one bit of evidence or math to demonstrate that what is in the guy's video is not accurate. But it's okay, I have nothing vested in one side or the other. I just like to see people fall all over themselves trying to debunk something that likely can't be debunked. So far, any actual math hasn't been provided to dispute anything that the guy says. Only accusations that he made errors, that nobody has actually proved were errors.
 
Hey, I already told you that I posted it, but I'm not defending what is in that vid. Or are you going to keep ignoring that statement?

I've done my own math. You're relying on dolts posting videos on YouTube.

Btw, if you're a chemist, have you ever worked with gear made by Hewlett Packard or Agilent Technologies? That's who Bob worked for. He's pretty good at math and physics. Took a few math and science courses himself.
 
Right. And you would know. Everyone is picking at irrelevant points. The calculation for the drop in 34 miles is: 8 inches x 34 miles x 34 miles = 9248 inches / 12 = 770 feet.

So the peak of the mountain should have dropped 770 feet and would be just under the terrain in front of the guys view and thus shouldn't be seen.

That's all there is to it.

It's actually stunning how you are not understanding something so simple. I'm starting to think you're trolling us.

If each peak is aprox. 5400 feet in height, and they are separated by 34 miles, then due to the curvature of the Earth, the peak of the observed mountain will appear to be 770 below that of the peak of the first mountain. Resulting in a view of (5400 - 770) 4630 feet of mountain to see.

You seem to be under the impression that the peak of the second mountain should "drop" out of sight, which would mean it "dropped" below the horizon, which would require a "drop" of (5400 + 770) 6170 feet.

Seriously, are you trolling us?
 
I've done my own math. You're relying on dolts posting videos on YouTube.

Btw, if you're a chemist, have you ever worked with gear made by Hewlett Packard or Agilent Technologies? That's who Bob worked for. He's pretty good at math and physics. Took a few math and science courses himself.
Of course. I could tear those instruments apart and replace the piston seals on my own (that's of course for an HPLC).
 
It's actually stunning how you are not understanding something so simple. I'm starting to think you're trolling us.

If each peak is aprox. 5400 feet in height, and they are separated by 34 miles, then due to the curvature of the Earth, the peak of the observed mountain will appear to be 770 below that of the peak of the first mountain. Resulting in a view of (5400 - 770) 4630 feet of mountain to see.

You seem to be under the impression that the peak of the second mountain should "drop" out of sight, which would mean it "dropped" below the horizon, which would require a "drop" of (5400 + 770) 6170 feet.

Seriously, are you trolling us?
No. What you wrote above is exactly what I have been saying all along. The second mountain would NOT drop out of sight, but it would drop below the terrain in front of the guy. Instead, there is the second mountain, completely visible and as tall as the other mountains of the same height that are different distances away from him. That was the entire point of his experiment.
 
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No. What you wrote above is exactly what I have been saying all along. The second mountain would NOT drop out of sight, but it would drop below the terrain in front of the guy. Instead, there is the second mountain, completely visible and as tall as the other mountains of the same height that are different distances away from him. That was the entire point of his experiment.

Um.........what???
 
Um.........what???
Let me restate. The second mountain would not drop completely below the horizon as viewed from the ground. It would drop 770 feet and would be obscured by the terrain in front of him. (This is what the other poster was asking -- so this restatement should cover your question).
 
So far, I haven't seen you provide one bit of evidence or math to demonstrate that what is in the guy's video is not accurate. But it's okay, I have nothing vested in one side or the other. I just like to see people fall all over themselves trying to debunk something that likely can't be debunked. So far, any actual math hasn't been provided to dispute anything that the guy says. Only accusations that he made errors, that nobody has actually proved were errors.

Yes, I did, I was very clear about his fundamental error. You chose to ignore this because you aren't understanding how the math works here.

See the diagram, this is taken from the website he used to "calculate" the "drop" of the second peak. In the "h0" field (eye level) he entered "0" (zero) feet. The diagramed instructions clearly explain that he should have typed in 5400 feet, which is where he was.

When you enter the correct value for "h0" (eye level, 5400 feet), you get the correct answer. That the horizon at that altitude is 90 miles. So the observed mountain being only 34 miles away is fully visible.

It's honestly shocking that you aren't understanding this.
 

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Yes, I did, I was very clear about his fundamental error. You chose to ignore this because you aren't understanding how the math works here.

See the diagram, this is taken from the website he used to "calculate" the "drop" of the second peak. In the "h0" field (eye level) he entered "0" (zero) feet. The diagramed instructions clearly explain that he should have typed in 5400 feet, which is where he was.

When you enter the correct value for "eye level" (5400 feet), you get the correct answer. That the horizon at that altitude is 90 miles. So the observed mountain being only 34 miles away is fully visible.

It's honestly shocking that you aren't understanding this.

He has to be trolling. No other explanation.
 
Yes, I did, I was very clear about his fundamental error. You chose to ignore this because you aren't understanding how the math works here.

See the diagram, this is taken from the website he used to "calculate" the "drop" of the second peak. In the "h0" field (eye level) he entered "0" (zero) feet. The diagramed instructions clearly explain that he should have typed in 5400 feet, which is where he was.

When you enter the correct value for "h0" (eye level, 5400 feet), you get the correct answer. That the horizon at that altitude is 90 miles. So the observed mountain being only 34 miles away is fully visible.

It's honestly shocking that you aren't understanding this.
No, what he was demonstrating was that at 34 miles and 770 feet of drop, the peak of the mountain shouldn't be visible from his vantage point. Only 4630 feet would be above the horizon, which just happens to not be high enough for him to see it above the terrain in front of him.

This isn't even about math anymore. You frankly just don't want to understand what he was trying to show in the first place.

Oh, I do think that Bob understands now what the experiment was about. But he's just saying that the topographical map wasn't provided.
 
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He has to be trolling. No other explanation.

I used to think that people like this had to have severe cognitive deficits, but that's clearly not true. They aren't all wards of the state, wearing special helmets, and so forth. Most of the navigate the rest of their lives basically normally.

Now, it's clearly true that none of them are particularly bright either, they aren't doctors or engineers or whatever. But still, most of them seem to be more or less average to slightly below average intelligence.

Which is why I'm interested in neuroscience now, I really want to understand how otherwise normal people can completely short circuit when they think about their pet nonsense issue.
 
No, what he was demonstrating was that at 34 miles and 770 feet of drop, the peak of the mountain shouldn't be visible from his vantage point. Only 4630 feet would be above the horizon, which just happens to not be high enough for him to see it above the terrain in front of him.

This isn't even about math anymore. You frankly just don't want to understand what he was trying to show in the first place.

Read the instructions in the diagram! He's putting in ZERO when he should be putting in 5400.

Look at the picture, it's right there!

I think you have a diagnosable delusion, I'm not even joking.
 
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