Leaving cue ball position long....

cbi1000 said:
I have been moving away from predator and trying others performance shafts. Right now I'm trying the Jacoby. The feedback is a little better.
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IMO, the first thing you need to do is settle on what you want to use.
Dialing in and fine tuning get a ton more complicated with equipment changes.

It simply sounds like speed drill/ practice is all you need. Limit the variable of learning new shafts etc.
 
I used to go long too, mainly because I didn't want to fall short. LOL...ok, don't laugh. It made sense to me at the time.

I fixed 90% of it by looking for routes where speed control isn't so critical. I learned to use the cushions and natural angles to get where I need to go, so going long or short just makes for a harder shot, but I still have a shot.

I guess that's not really an answer to a speed control question, but from a practical point of view I've found it extremely helpful.
 
cbi1000 said:
So one of my long time struggles with cue ball control is leaving the cue ball long. I over shoot position all the time, been doing it for years. I work on it but in the end same issue.

My cue weighs 19oz and I play with a kamui hard tip.

Any suggestions on how to fix this issue?
Lighter cue?
Heavier cue?
Softer tip?

Thanks
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How about practice doing long shots?
If you loose controll on long shots, there something to tweak in your technique, I`m guessing you tense up, don`t stand still and quite possible move your wrist, that seems to be the most common causes.
No cue, shaft or tip will fix that issue. If you choose a softer tip it gives you a bit margin of error. What tip diameter do you play with?
 
cbi1000 said:
I have signed up with someone local. Hope it helps.
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I wouldn't tell em your problem, I'd just let em watch you pocket balls....and after doing that for maybe ten minutes, ask em if he/she sees anything obvious that your doing wrong. Like I said in my prior post, doing the same thing wrong over and over, should be obvious to a good instructor. It's like going too get your car fixed at a shop that's not proven to be good YET, and you tell em what you think is wrong. So they'll fix that, call ya and say, ''it's still doing the same thing''. When I taught for ten years, I would first spend ten or fifteen minutes talking with my new student to find out what kinds of work they do, their interests and such, which always helped me understand how they might process what I was going to say. It's not very often when you tell ten people the same thing and they all have the same thoughts, actually that's nearly impossible. That's why good teachers are so important in all fields of life and are worth their weight in gold.
 
The best way to overcome speed control is consistency. Work on your fundamentals and when they are solid and consistent, your speed control and everything else just falls into place naturally. :thumbup:
 
couldnthinkof01 said:
Yes, cue weight, tip, shaft style makes no tangible difference.
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Well Iv been told this but I don't believe it , Iv done tests with my 17 and my 19 1/2 and no question from my results that they don't play anywhere near the same the only difference was butt weight , same shafts and tips

To the Ops problem I'd work on a consistent stroke with as little elbow drop,,
I took a lesson from Scott Lee and he pointed out my elbow drop and also had a speed control drill where just using the cue ball you shoot from the end of the table assigned numbers to the diamonds down and back and try to land the cue ball on that number , once you master this you know how hard you need to hit it to land on those spots , then add a object ball if it's a thin cut and your at the end of the table and want to come back to the same end then the speed is 12 if the cue is 3 diamonds up the speed is 9 now when the cut is less that speed goes up to maybe 14 . Thru lots practice you'll learn how to do this , for several months I'd walk up to shot and think by number how I wanted to hit it now it's more muscle memory
My speed controll is consistently much better now

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grindz said:
Play positional routes that allow the CB to come 'into' the shot.

Td
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This is by far the best advise on the 2pages so far! If this doesn't make since think of it like this: keep the cue ball rolling parallel to the next shot line, if the cueball is perpendicular (or crossing) the shot line your shape zone in tremendously smaller! If it's parallel you will always have a shot (might be long or short) depending on your speed control. It will at times increase your shape zone by a few feet!!!!
 
cbi1000 said:
So one of my long time struggles with cue ball control is leaving the cue ball long. I over shoot position all the time, been doing it for years. I work on it but in the end same issue.

My cue weighs 19oz and I play with a kamui hard tip.

Any suggestions on how to fix this issue?
Lighter cue?
Heavier cue?
Softer tip?

Thanks
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This might sound obvious, but once you determine where you need to hit the ob with the spin you want to use, you determine (feel) the speed you need to hit it. A player determines how well their playing on a particular table by how well they have the speed down.

When you practice, determine where and how you want to hit the shot, then play purely CB speed. You don't have to "feel" anything else, because you already know what you want to do.

Come up with a couple shots where you play the CB to the center of the table. Benchmark shots.
Examples include
1. Straight up and down, CB only.
2. Side to side (at various angles but always to center), CB only.
3. 3 rails to center (this is a big one) (45 degree cut into corner. CB goes long rail, short rail, long rail, to center. If hit harder goes long, short, long, long, short), with OB.
4. Cut into side pocket, straight up and down back to center, with OB.

Get a feel for what it takes to stop CB center table, and that's your speed baseline for said table. Play shots off different rails to center to identify rails that play weird. With and without spin!

To reiterate, when you actually strike the CB, speed is your focus (the feel, not thinking with words). Nail that table baseline down first thing and you'll be alright ;). If you don't get the feel for playing the CB to center table, you won't have a good feel for ANY other shot save maybe a stop shot.

Play well!

P.S. Speed control is the last piece of the puzzle, and the toughest. We all mess it up! Don't get discouraged, every single shot is a learning experience.

P.P.S. Please don't be one of those people that doesn't watch any of the games being played save your own. Play every game in your head, and feel every shot as if you're shooting it. Play all the patterns. If you're stumped, watch how the other guy plays it (Efren still does this). Notice how the rails act for others. You can avoid making the same mistakes you see others make due to table speed or rails that take spin funny simply by paying attention.

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one stroke said:
Well Iv been told this but I don't believe it , Iv done tests with my 17 and my 19 1/2 and no question from my results that they don't play anywhere near the same the only difference was butt weight , same shafts and tips

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Its you, not the cues.

Dale
 
Kim Bye said:
How about practice doing long shots?
If you loose controll on long shots, there something to tweak in your technique, I`m guessing you tense up, don`t stand still and quite possible move your wrist, that seems to be the most common causes.
No cue, shaft or tip will fix that issue. If you choose a softer tip it gives you a bit margin of error. What tip diameter do you play with?
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12.75. Really never played with anything different.
 
cbi1000 said:
So one of my long time struggles with cue ball control is leaving the cue ball long. I over shoot position all the time, been doing it for years. I work on it but in the end same issue.

My cue weighs 19oz and I play with a kamui hard tip.

Any suggestions on how to fix this issue?
Lighter cue?
Heavier cue?
Softer tip?

Thanks
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You don't really describe the types of shots you overrun. Is it a particular shot, or are you just playing long shape, in general? Don't listen to the BS about switching back to a standard deflection shaft. You can play any shot with any shaft. The only thing an LD shaft doesn't do well is jump. I played maple for years, and finally took the plunge into LD this year, and I'm playing my best pool ever.

Do you use a lot of side english when you play? Hit the ball firm?
 
randyg said:
Sounds like you need a better Speed Control drill.

randyg
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KIS....and RG has proven he understands whats needed. Sound fundamentals are critical in building a baseline with ones muscle memory. It's rare, working with those struggling/learning and wanting to improve, to not find a fundamental flaw that changes everything.
 
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