Give my 5 Kieth McCreedy's and you got a MC winner

BeiberLvr said:
He was mostly a gambler, but I'm sure he won a few titles in his day.

I know he had an unorthodox style, but no doubt he would be even money or better against anyone on Team Europe.

I think the biggest difference between him and any of the players on Team USA is that Keith wasn't known to rattle easily. Plus, he was a quick shooter, and we all know how much you love fast players :)
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Very few players like Keith and Cole Dixon for example, could win the cash and titles at the same time, and preferred the cash over titles like a Great White Shark swimming around a group of seals....just waiting for the fattest one to single out for dinner. Allen Hopkins was one of those players that could win titles AND the cash on the side and because of that the Keith's and Coles circling around the tournaments sometimes themselves fell victim to an even greater SHARK!
 
Well - the entertainment value would certainly be higher, but the minute that one of the Keiths dogged a shot the entire American-fanbase would be stabbing him in the back and talking shit about him.

Sorry - the level of play in "the good old days" was nowhere near as good as it is today, although it was more exciting and it appealed to a certain breed of Americans.

Today - if you miss a shot you may-as well go back to the room and take a nap.

I love Keith, I love the culture of yesterday - but, because of this fragile culture of yesterday - America has no real support-system in place while Asia and Europe do.....

We don't school our players and breed them to be professional pool players - we take the country's outcast and it's "them against the world."

 
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Pathetic Shark said:
What did he even win? Anything?
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Do you mean OTHER than truckloads of cash as he went around the US and demolished everyone he played, including EVERY pro out there? I'd venture to say he's won at least ten times more money than whomever the all time top earner at MosconI is. I'm with One Stroke on this one 100 %!
 
Swighey said:
Not many loud smoked filled venues in Europe either. In much of Europe you can't smoke anywhere indoors if it is even bordering on being a public space. USA was at its "finest" when Europeans weren't trying their hand at "American" pool and Asians didn't have the global exposure to even consider competing against the USA's best players.

Back in the day, the smoke filled rooms were full of people playing some kind of billiards on some kind of billiard table. Saying that the USA was at it's finest when it
playing only against the USA is a little inaccurate, a little misleading, a little desperate and a little lol.
The USA will win the Mosconi Cup back at some point. Excuses from those who weren't even playing won't faze them - the next team will win because they score more points than the opposition.
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Roalmfao ,, obviously your clueless there were plenty of smoke filled pool rooms playing 9 ball in 60s 70s and 80s ... hell I was in one yesterday,,
The point of the thread is not about skill level it's about mind set our guys look like a deer in headlights ,they can't handle the pressure and it's compounded 10 fold by the crowd it's I went to a pool match and a soccer match broke out ,,drunken idiots in the stands with no regard or respect for the game ,
Some can handle it some can't ,, think this stuff would bother Filipino players , I hardly think so ,,

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BmoreMoney said:
Do you mean OTHER than truckloads of cash as he went around the US and demolished everyone he played, including EVERY pro out there? I'd venture to say he's won at least ten times more money than whomever the all time top earner at MosconI is. I'm with One Stroke on this one 100 %!
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Really? Where did it all go to then? Pretty sad.

JC
 
JC said:
Really? Where did it all go to then? Pretty sad.

JC
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Dunno, don't do his books. But what's so sad? That he lived a life so many on here wish they had the balls / skill to do? For all you, I , or anyone else knows he may be sitting on a nice fat egg in retirement. As I've said many times, I'll take the gamblers over the tourney players everytime. They have WAY more heart AND can deal with pressure much better. All of that aside it doesn't change the fact of what he actually did as per my post. If you think that he would've done any worse than what we've been getting then I don't know what to tell ya.
 
BmoreMoney said:
Dunno, don't do his books. But what's so sad? That he lived a life so many on here wish they had the balls / skill to do? For all you, I , or anyone else knows he may be sitting on a nice fat egg in retirement. As I've said many times, I'll take the gamblers over the tourney players everytime. They have WAY more heart AND can deal with pressure much better. All of that aside it doesn't change the fact of what he actually did as per my post. If you think that he would've done any worse than what we've been getting then I don't know what to tell ya.
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Shane, Bergman, Woodward, and Morris are all known to be good gamblers.

You'd have to be wearing rose-colored glasses to think they handled the pressure at the MC even remotely well.
 
BmoreMoney said:
Do you mean OTHER than truckloads of cash as he went around the US and demolished everyone he played, including EVERY pro out there? I'd venture to say he's won at least ten times more money than whomever the all time top earner at MosconI is. I'm with One Stroke on this one 100 %!
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He didn't actually win anything, then? So what makes you think 5 of him would win in the pressurised Mosconi Cup, playing tournament conditions?
 
realkingcobra said:
Very few players like Keith and Cole Dixon for example, could win the cash and titles at the same time, and preferred the cash over titles like a Great White Shark swimming around a group of seals....just waiting for the fattest one to single out for dinner. Allen Hopkins was one of those players that could win titles AND the cash on the side and because of that the Keith's and Coles circling around the tournaments sometimes themselves fell victim to an even greater SHARK!
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Corey Deuel in another who has won titles and cash.
 
Maxx said:
Jam, they were waiting for you, they must have pretty pathetic little lives. Spewing nasty comments waiting for your response then posting almost immediately.

Five Keith's would have been something, but I don't think the world, let alone europe would have been ready!
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What nasty comments? As far as i know we both live in democracies, with freedom of speech that is sacrosanct. This place isn't quite a dictatorship yet - although that is not far off.

Given this, my opinion is Keith Mccready was an ordinary pro level player, but nowhere near as good as the legend. This is based on a) his appalling technique (prone to failure under pressure), and b) having watched a few of his matches on YouTube, where he was distinctly average at best.

No one with a technique like that can hang with the modern player, period. Pining for a mythical golden age of American pool will not help you.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Shane, Bergman, Woodward, and Morris are all known to be good gamblers.

You'd have to be wearing rose-colored glasses to think they handled the pressure at the MC even remotely well.
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Well Morris handled it well enough to beat the hottest player on the planet


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BeiberLvr said:
He was mostly a gambler, but I'm sure he won a few titles in his day.

I know he had an unorthodox style, but no doubt he would be even money or better against anyone on Team Europe.

I think the biggest difference between him and any of the players on Team USA is that Keith wasn't known to rattle easily. Plus, he was a quick shooter, and we all know how much you love fast players :)
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No complaints about his style of play here, just doubt how good he was, is all.

You seriously think he would be even game with the euros? :eek: that's not what i have seen. His cb was too loose for that (that's the American disease, btw), and breaking/safety is paramount these days anyway, not Keith's strengths afaik.

And as for not being easily rattled, i think there were reasons for that, and those reasons are no longer tolerated...
 
At 21 Keith won the Sacramento Open 9 ball beating Larry Hubert....

In 1984 he won the Clyde Childress Memorial 9 ball beating Earl Strickland..

In 1985 he won the B.C. Open 9 ball pocking $25,000..The largest pay out ever in that time..

In 2003 he beat Bustamante and won the 9 ball Falcon Tour..

2005 he won the Joss Northwest 9 ball tourney...
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It was said that McCready plays for the crowd....He said,"where a audience is involved it creates a better atmosphere"...

I would of taken Keith any day on a Mosconi team...
 
NINEBALLART said:
At 21 Keith won the Sacramento Open 9 ball beating Larry Hubert....

In 1984 he won the Clyde Childress Memorial 9 ball beating Earl Strickland..

In 1985 he won the B.C. Open 9 ball pocking $25,000..The largest pay out ever in that time..

In 2003 he beat Bustamante and won the 9 ball Falcon Tour..

2005 he won the Joss Northwest 9 ball tourney...
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It was said that McCready plays for the crowd....He said,"where a audience is involved it creates a better atmosphere"...

I would of taken Keith any day on a Mosconi team...
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6 tournaments I've never heard of in 20 years. How many did Shaw win this year alone? Over 10, i think, and he was far and away the weakest European player at the Mosconi. If there's a claim he would be level game (or better) with the euros kicking around, I'd like to see better evidence than that before i believed it.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
No complaints about his style of play here, just doubt how good he was, is all.

You seriously think he would be even game with the euros? :eek: that's not what i have seen. His cb was too loose for that (that's the American disease, btw), and breaking/safety is paramount these days anyway, not Keith's strengths afaik.

And as for not being easily rattled, i think there were reasons for that, and those reasons are no longer tolerated...
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As to how good he was / is couple things - I took the OP in the context of when Keith was in his prime. As to the comments about his " legend " Yada Yada yada, there are still plenty of people around, many on AZ for that matter, that were around and first hand watched ( and bet and won ) him crush the all the best players in the world at that time. Plenty of first hand knowledge as to back up the " legend " . As to now, I have no idea how Pathetic you play sir, but I am confident for the right amount of cheez you could coax him out of retirement so that in fact you could find out for yourself first hand and then decide. As to what's " tolerated ", until a certain something is done ( which it has not been ) it seems to absolutely be " tolerated " , and for the record as I've stated in other threads I think that whole discussion is REALLY stupid AND the only folks that feel that way are tighta$$ blowhards ( not saying that's you because I have no idea where you stand ) and those that are just not good enough to get there and cry and look for excuses.

Oh yeah, while you may not have heard of those tournaments, you have in fact heard of Larry Hubbard and Earl Strickland I'd assume???
 
2003 and 2005 is 20 years ago? I'm just pointing out Keith did win some major 9 ball tournaments....Beating Earl and Bustamonte is no easy feat...And the field was loaded when he took the biggest pay out ever, $25,000 for 1st...

I look at things differently....I like Keith's attitude about winning and playing to noisy crowds...I don't go by how many tournaments someone wins. Look at
Shane...Did'nt help him any...
Just my opinion..
 
Pathetic Shark said:
6 tournaments I've never heard of in 20 years. How many did Shaw win this year alone? Over 10, i think, and he was far and away the weakest European player at the Mosconi. If there's a claim he would be level game (or better) with the euros kicking around, I'd like to see better evidence than that before i believed it.
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The BC Open only ran for a few years but it was huge for its time.

Keith won the first one and it's said that Gary Pinkowski (tourn promoter) withheld Keith's winnings (or a percentage of them) because he owed Gary money.

LOL - I'm not sure if this is true or not. - You'd have to ask Keith.
 
BmoreMoney said:
Do you mean OTHER than truckloads of cash as he went around the US and demolished everyone he played, including EVERY pro out there? I'd venture to say he's won at least ten times more money than whomever the all time top earner at MosconI is. I'm with One Stroke on this one 100 %!
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Keith demolished Allen Hopkins....do tell!!....LMAO
 
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