Famous cues

billinboston

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Was wondering if people know whatever happened to the
Cues of past pro's and what kind of cues they played with ?
I'm sure some must have been sold at auction
Like Mosconi's.
In my area... Boston Shorty had a nice looking older Viking cue
That he used quite a bit.
Bill
 
There is occasionally discussion on this around here. There may already be a thread about it just like this. Did you do a search?

Some are lost to history. Others, we know where they are. And some disappear into private collections overseas.

We have occasionally seen some nice examples posted here though. It is always exciting for me.

I posted a thread in the gallery asking for cues made by famous players. I have one.


Occasionally a cue pops up claiming provenance that can't be substantiated or is really kind of questionable. Sometimes a cue just passed through the hands of a known player but a seller tries to pump that up as a sales point to get more money.

Mizerak had a lot of cues and cases that were given to him. But it is his Balabushka that was really "his cue" IMHO. The others do have some enhanced value, but nothing like his Bushka. And they aren't famous cues...just owned by a famous person.



I'll be curious to see what responses we get here.



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Most have been bought up by collectors and have long-been taken out of circulation.

Your best bet is to gobble up the cues of today's top players. They go bust all the time, and - if they ever reach legend-status you'll have something worth talking about.

It helps to be in the right place at the right time.

I don't knock cue-collecting if that's "your thing" but expecting to do it as an investment strategy is not wise.
 
Most players today don't play with "high-end" cues like Searing, Szamboti, Bushka etc. I don't think we'll see much value in todays players cues - does anybody really want a cuetec?
Jason
 
Most players today don't play with "high-end" cues like Searing, Szamboti, Bushka etc. I don't think we'll see much value in todays players cues - does anybody really want a cuetec?
Jason

LOL -- OK - you have a point but.... YES! I would love to own Shane's Cuetec!

Robb Saez almost threw-in a $7k cue a few months ago (I don't rmember what it was/is), but decided it wasn't the time to retire. :)
 
Most players today don't play with "high-end" cues like Searing, Szamboti, Bushka etc. I don't think we'll see much value in todays players cues - does anybody really want a cuetec?
Jason

Depends.

Look at something like baseball. A signed World Series ball or bat is a mass produced product, yet can be worth a bunch.

Picture a champion's cue...signed...with documentation. Yes, maybe even a Cuetec.


For a "real" custom cue collector a Cuetec likely would not attract much attention, but to a billiards memorabilia collector it might, or even a sports memorabilia collector if pool ever gets prominent enough.


Slightly different yet potentially overlapping market.


Obviously most of us would be interested in a custom. Signed "generic" cues and cases don't generally fair so great in the market.

But there is a potential market someday for cues that won championships today.


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Depends.

Look at something like baseball. A signed World Series ball or bat is a mass produced product, yet can be worth a bunch.

Picture a champion's cue...signed...with documentation. Yes, maybe even a Cuetec.


For a "real" custom cue collector a Cuetec likely would not attract much attention, but to a billiards memorabilia collector it might, or even a sports memorabilia collector if pool ever gets prominent enough.


Slightly different yet potentially overlapping market.


Obviously most of us would be interested in a custom. Signed "generic" cues and cases don't generally fair so great in the market.

But there is a potential market someday for cues that won championships today.


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Baseball and billiards - no comparison.

Over 40million watched the world series. Doubt if 5,000 watched the US open
 
Baseball and billiards - no comparison.

Over 40million watched the world series. Doubt if 5,000 watched the US open

I was just thinking, Chop didn't just compare billiards to baseball did he?..lol....

For the record I wouldnt go out of my way to acquire any modern champions cue unless it WAS a Szamboti, Tascarella, SW, Searing, and the like....
 
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I was just thinking, Chop didn't just compare billiards to baseball did he?..lol....

For the record I wouldnt go out of my way to acquire any modern champions cue unless it WAS a Szamboti, Tascarella, SW, Searing, and the like....



LOL! Neither would I go out of my way.

As I said in my post " if pool ever gets prominent enough."

A lot would have to change for a Cuetec to have any substantial value just because a championship was won with it.


I certainly wouldn't turn such a cue down...for the standard market price of a used Cuetec. But certainly would not be looking for one.


Would I buy one if it came up? For cheap? For cheap yes. But I would not be looking to pay any premium on it. And I wouldn't try to flip it, just put it away. There would be no meat on the bone to flip such a cue.


Anyway, as I said. It isn't the sort of cue that custom cue aficionados are interested in anyway.


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I just feel the old cues that were handmade by the best of the best, for the best of the best carried way more mystique than the "throw away" cues used by todays players, which in most cases they are given and/or payed to play with. No heart, no soul.
Jason
 
In the early 2000's, I had a chance to buy Grady Matthew's cue but stalled and delayed
because it was a little heavier than I wanted.......still kick myself over that. 5-6 years ago,
I could have bought Kim Davenport's Mottey cue but hesitated and got a different Mottey.
In hindsight, I should have just gotten both cues......I will not these same mistakes again.
 
I just feel the old cues that were handmade by the best of the best, for the best of the best carried way more mystique than the "throw away" cues used by todays players, which in most cases they are given and/or payed to play with. No heart, no soul.
Jason

I agree. 100%





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Baseball and billiards - no comparison.

Over 40million watched the world series. Doubt if 5,000 watched the US open


If you were to ever ask anyone if they watched the US Open they would either answer yes or no we are not golfers.


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Sadly for some, unfortunate for others, but most of all likely for all, the only cues that will be desirable by the vast majority of collectors will be customs made by the elite makers past and present. The majority of collectors know who those makers are and the youngin's who will most definately be taking over these collections and starting their own, I'm confident, will be educated towards those makers as well.
 
If you were to ever ask anyone if they watched the US Open they would either answer yes or no we are not golfers.


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You do realize we are on a pool forum dont you?

You've never heard of the US Open as it pertains to pool? I have to spell it out for you???
Jason
 
Pete Glenn bought a lot of them, 30 or 40 years ago and more, when no one else was interested.

And still has Efren use his cues and buys them back.

I still have one of Efren's cues ( Linds Cue ).
Got one of his trophies too ( Gabriel Open trophy ).
 
Sadly for some, unfortunate for others, but most of all likely for all, the only cues that will be desirable by the vast majority of collectors will be customs made by the elite makers past and present. The majority of collectors know who those makers are and the youngin's who will most definately be taking over these collections and starting their own, I'm confident, will be educated towards those makers as well.

The same is true of many things.

Show up at Pebble Beach in your really cool production car and park it next to something like a Cord, Auburn, or Duesenberg and they will likely look at you funny, like you might get their car dirty.

Then again, some of those production cars turn out to be incredible investments and are now getting attention. Even many that are not really particularly "special".

Consummate collector Jay Leno even has a BSA lightning, Miata, RX-8, and Oldmobile Toronado in his collection. Not long ago such things were just as easily junked as sold.

His high end stuff? Some of them at one time were hard to give away.


Things change.

Yes, it can certainly apply to pool cues as well.

A perfect example is Brunswick cues. People easily pay over $1000 for an Ebony Titlist.

Even the garden variety Rosewood Brunswicks are drawing good money.

At one time you could have had a crate of ebony Brunswicks fairly easily. Would be nice to have those now, eh?



Certainly the great custom makers will probably always lead the way in desirability in the top collections and among the most well-heeled collectors.

But there are different parts of the market, and they change.




My collection contains representative cues from different eras. That's how I like it. Nobody here knows what is in my collection. Again, that is how I like it. The reality is that the "low end" production cues in my collection have appreciated the most. I can sell any of them right away for anywhere from double to 100 times what I paid. Seriously. Immediately. No sales work.


You can't educate people on what they like, try as you might. You also can't dictate what they can afford. The most numerous collectors in any field generally aren't at the top of the market. Many collect things at the lower end of any particular market.

I know people here with collections that contain things like Biagio cues, old McDermotts, Meucci Originals, Adam cues, and other such things. They are quite happy with them. Sometimes they are told to sell their collection and buy a single cue. Generally the person telling them intends to educate them, but entirely misses the point. They like their cues and that is all that matters. That actually supports a market.


I am not saying you are wrong by any means. I am saying that you aren't completely right and are dismissive of the majority of people collecting and buying and selling cues.






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