We need AFFLUENT people to shoot pool!! 💡

3. Cost...it's not cheap to play pool! If you want to get good at the game you're going to need to spend a small fortune on table time to get there...cheaper to stay home and play the video game!

I can play all day and night at my local room for under $25, and the house cues are plenty straight. It can be a pretty cheap hobby.
 
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It doesn't always need to be based on the past. Ever watch dart players play remotely vs. other bars. Imagine if u could play at home vs. others across the world. Think augmented reality, Google glasses, etc. Think gambling, ladder matches, and remote tourneys.

Many will say how do u prevent cheating. U can figure that out. My buddies and I gamble on 9 ball playing against the ghost. We race to a handicapped amount and see how many racks it takes. This is on trust but technology can prevent cheating, just as remote darts has.

Imagine if you could see through svb's eyes while he is playing. What if by looking at the table with tech glasses, the tech could recognize the balls and layout, and an algorithm could provide you visual lit up paths and options like the Microsoft hololens.

Maybe a way to obtain the interest of the youth. Not chase them down, but draw them into it.

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I can play all day and night at my local room for under $25, and the house cues are plenty straight. It can be a pretty cheap hobby.

Ok and how many days a week do you spend playing? How many years have you been playing? If you had to guess, how much money overall do you think you have invested in table time alone? sure it can be an inexpensive hobby if you want to go shoot once or twice a week...id say $10 is a pretty cheap trip to the pool room. If you do that once a week you're looking at $40 a month...not that expensive of a hobby at that point. I personally couldn't handle only playing once a week! But let's do the math on that...let's say for 5 years if you played only once a week with the average week only costing you $10...$2,600. Think about how many of us have invested well over 10, 20, 30 THOUSAND in table time alone...I've been playing for right around 20 years and it makes my head spin trying to fathom what I've spent in table time alone....
 
We need affluent people to shoot pool and be the FACE of pool. For example, golf is commonly known as a "rich man's game". Therefore, the regular folk always want to do what the "higher ups" are doing. That's why golf has caught on in the minority community and elsewhere. Now take pool. When someone first thinks of pool, they normally don't think "affluence" they may think "hustler or cigarette smoke" or what have you. Not exactly a good marketing tool. AGAIN, I LOVE POOL IT'S IN MY HEART. I WANT IT TO GROW. BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WE MUST CHANGE THE APPROACH IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING AND MARKETING!! GET US SOME AFFLUENT FACES!! ✔✔✔✔

I assume that another pool movie, like The Color of Money, that is directed by a famous director, would not change anything in the general interest in pool to the general population, or would it? Even if you had some billionaire who really loved the sport of pool, is there anything that they could do to get more public interest in the sport?
 
I don't think the problem with pool is who's playing it, how it's being advertised or that we're playing 9-ball instead of 8-ball...

I think it's more along the lines that today's society just isn't interested in pool...people want action packed sporting events with loud music and hot cheerleaders on TV. They want violence and drama. Pool is flat out boring to watch for most people...heck even a lot of avid pool players don't care to watch...

Pool needs a major outside sponsor to fund a major pro tour to bring money back into the game but the sponsors don't want to put up any money because there is little to no return for them...Is Budweiser really going to sell more beer if they sponsor a pro billiards tour?...I think not...TV networks don't want to broadcast pool because people change the channel when they do regardless of who's sponsoring it.. That's an instant no go for outside sponsorship...

I think entry level interest in pool has deminished for several reasons...

1. I'm pretty sure pool interest skipped a generation due to a lot of parents (like mine) telling their kids to stay away from the pool halls! Pool halls had/have a negative stigma....

2. Instant gratification entertainment...Video games being the big one! They have packed so much entertainment into the games nowadays that rolling some balls around on the table with a stick is dull and boring. The scary part is I think the adults play just as much if not more than the youth...

3. Cost...it's not cheap to play pool! If you want to get good at the game you're going to need to spend a small fortune on table time to get there...cheaper to stay home and play the video game!

The list could go on but those are the main problems I see...

I think the long term solution to pools survival is to get pool into high school/college sports programs and after school programs in a league type format where they compete against other schools...this would at least plant the seed and spark the interest of the younger player...

Pool may never be a mainstream sport again and we may never see pro pool players making big bucks and getting treated like rock stars but if we want to see our local pool rooms flourish then pool as a whole must be self sufficient...We have to generate our own interest by encouraging new players to support our sport!

Can we just take the 1st step, and try our best to get the pool room owners to buy decent house cues, and replace the tips with decent tips (instead of slip on tips) when needed? Bring back the old Valley Supreme house cues (those were great house cues). Before you can get people interested in buying their own cue (and putting money into the sport of pool), they need a decent house cue to shoot with, in order to get interested in the game. Think about it, how can they learn english (how to put spin) on the cue ball, by using a crappy house cue that has a slip on tip installed on it? That may sound like a stupid idea, but it is worth a try. Maybe the game just needs better free equipment (better house cues) to get more interest in the game. Maybe I am just dreaming, and that would do no good at all.
 
I assume that another pool movie, like The Color of Money, that is directed by a famous director, would not change anything in the general interest in pool to the general population, or would it? Even if you had some billionaire who really loved the sport of pool, is there anything that they could do to get more public interest in the sport?

I always thought a sequel to The Color of Money could be made with the Cruise character (VInce) mentoring a young woman. This might spark some interest in women. These days though, the setting might have to be changed to start in pool rooms, but transiton to tournaments, or something like that.
It could have cameoes by today's pool stars, and end with a big match with our heroine playing the Black Widow.
Or something.
We could hope the movie magic works a third time.
 
What pool needs is hookers and booze and given recent societal shift, we are getting a bong station too.

Oh yeah, that is what pool needs (hookers, booze, and a bong station at each table, lol). That would really raise the attendance a great deal at the pool halls and tournaments.
 
Nobody cares about some greasy back alley gamblers game played by low-lifes, derelicts, and criminals.
You drink, smoke and every social situation starts with, "I'll give you the 7" or "can I get
the 7"
As much as we all loved the movie, all the Hustler really did was was put in a pay
weekly SRO with a broken hands and a suicidal depressive girlfriend with Daddy issues.
It taught most parents to have us avoid pool rooms and to never let us be friends with a
guy who's first name is that of a geographical location or something similar.
Pool is a cult event at best. It'll always have a participants and a following, but not quite to the level of ComicCon
Forget it, it'll never happen

I wonder why pool is so much bigger in Europe? Maybe because the players are classy, well educated, and do not smoke, drink, do drugs, or ever gamble? I do not know. Just a thought.
 
That might be just the thing this game needs... To make me want to never play again.

It's like saying the porn industry needs to find religion.

You think golf is the answer, steal the lingo: cue becomes club, table/course, break cue/driver, break-and-run/hole-in-one.

MMA is the model.

No, I think maybe he just meant that pool needs a better image.
 
I always thought a sequel to The Color of Money could be made with the Cruise character (VInce) mentoring a young woman. This might spark some interest in women. These days though, the setting might have to be changed to start in pool rooms, but transiton to tournaments, or something like that.
It could have cameoes by today's pool stars, and end with a big match with our heroine playing the Black Widow.
Or something.
We could hope the movie magic works a third time.

It would need to be a pool movie that does not look really cheesy (like Pool Hall Junkies did, at times). But how would that even be possible? How to have good actors appear to be good pool players? That, and also a really great story line, and great acting. Would any of todays top actors even be interested in playing in the movie? Maybe only if they got paid enough money to do it. Or, maybe a really good indie, with good unknown actors? Just so none of it looks cheesy, or stupid, then I would love to see it. Would also need to catch the attention of the general public, with a good story line (outside of just the pool). I am dreaming again, about something that will never happen.
 
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I assume that another pool movie, like The Color of Money, that is directed by a famous director, would not change anything in the general interest in pool to the general population, or would it? Even if you had some billionaire who really loved the sport of pool, is there anything that they could do to get more public interest in the sport?

Yes, his name is Barry Hearn

He understands that the MAIN ATTRACTION is the rivalry, action, and suspense.
(not the game)

Exactly ZERO pool events in the world are produced at the level of the Mosconi Cup and its easy to see the difference in the results they get.

Production and Marketing come 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
 
Its hard to teach somebody that already knows everything. Next time you are out, try showing an APA 3, 4, 5, or 6 something about pool - they will tell you to get F'd with a quickness cause they already know it all.
Jason
 
It would need to be a pool movie that does not look really cheesy (like Pool Hall Junkies did, at times). But how would that even be possible? How to have good actors appear to be good pool players? That, and also a really great story line, and great acting. Would any of todays top actors even be interested in playing in the movie? Maybe only if they got paid enough money to do it. Or, maybe a really good indie, with good unknown actors? Just so none of it looks cheesy, or stupid, then I would love to see it. Would also need to catch the attention of the general public, with a good story line (outside of just the pool). I am dreaming again, about something that will never happen.

They would just use the same basic formula that they did with the first two movies. They were able to get Scorcese, Newman and Cruise on board, probably with money, and it could be done today.
As far as the tech ascpects, they could just get advisors like they did n the past; instead of Mosconi, Sigel, Miz, et al, they could get SVB, Deschaine, etc. For the woman's shots, they could get Jasmine O., or Jeanette Lee, or many of the other talented women.
Part of it could even be filmed at Chris' here in Chicago, as it is still here. That would be a cool trick, it would help the story come full circle,a dn lend validity.
Maybe the woman could aspire to lead the first US women's team to enter and WIN, (dare I say it?) the Mosconi Cup.
I think it could tie a lot of things together, if done right.
 
Can we just take the 1st step, and try our best to get the pool room owners to buy decent house cues, and replace the tips with decent tips (instead of slip on tips) when needed? Bring back the old Valley Supreme house cues (those were great house cues). Before you can get people interested in buying their own cue (and putting money into the sport of pool), they need a decent house cue to shoot with, in order to get interested in the game. Think about it, how can they learn english (how to put spin) on the cue ball, by using a crappy house cue that has a slip on tip installed on it? That may sound like a stupid idea, but it is worth a try. Maybe the game just needs better free equipment (better house cues) to get more interest in the game. Maybe I am just dreaming, and that would do no good at all.

I agree that it's nice to have well kept house cues when needed...I've had several occasions where I didn't have my cues and had a chance encounter with a pool table. Sometimes there were nice house cues sometimes there weren't...Places that don't keep the equipment up probably don't give two shits about weather you enjoyed your pool playing experience or not...maybe bad for business but hey it's their business. Maybe those business owners aren't pool players themselves and don't have an understanding of how the quality of equipment affects the playability...could even be that once upon a time they had nice house cues and asshole pool players kept breaking tips off so they resorted to slip on's...ultimately I don't think some nicer house cues would do much for pool as most novice players wouldn't know a good hitting cue from a bad one and most players who have developed there stroke enough to know what kind of hit they like own their own cue...

Have you ever asked your local pool room with the obviously sub par house cues if they would concider fixing them? heck you might buy a couple elk masters and a tip jig and in a tactful manner offer to fix a couple of their cues for them...not saying it's your responsibility to do so but if you really really want a decent house cue shoot with when you visit...well...that's a pretty cheap way to get it done. It might also go a long way with the owners/managers....just a thought.
 
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Never worked never will

Yeah boy, pool was really booming before the Hustler came out. Shortly after, there
were pool rooms everywhere. i wonder why since that nasty old movie just reinforced
what every one thought about pool. Gamblers, thieves, mean people, lock the doors
keep the children inside. This will certainly be the last nail in the coffin for pool for sure.
Well guess what, pool took off like a rocket. There were pool rooms on every corner,
and they were all making money. Does anyone really think the parents of the 60's
70's,were more permissive than parents of today, no, but we still got in some way.
And then some sharp business men figured with all this new interest in pool
we will clean up the image and make a upscale pocket billiard room, where nice people
can go and play and not have to worry about all the rift raft. No jeans, no gambling, no
bad language, boy oh boy what a swell idea.These places sprang up also, guess what
they all went bust. The neighborhood rooms made money, the action rooms were so
busy, there were long waiting lists for a table.The same thing after TCOM. We need
to change the image and the new players young and old will just flock in. Yeah buddy.
jack
 
Working on all these-

They would just use the same basic formula that they did with the first two movies. They were able to get Scorcese, Newman and Cruise on board, probably with money, and it could be done today.
As far as the tech ascpects, they could just get advisors like they did n the past; instead of Mosconi, Sigel, Miz, et al, they could get SVB, Deschaine, etc. For the woman's shots, they could get Jasmine O., or Jeanette Lee, or many of the other talented women.
Part of it could even be filmed at Chris' here in Chicago, as it is still here. That would be a cool trick, it would help the story come full circle,a dn lend validity.
Maybe the woman could aspire to lead the first US women's team to enter and WIN, (dare I say it?) the Mosconi Cup.
I think it could tie a lot of things together, if done right.

Have faith!
We got that!!
That's where "Raising the Hustler" begins, my home room of Chris' Billiards!

Pool touches everything, from royalty, celebrity and affluence all the way down to Joe Q student guy knocking 'em around with his friends!

Everything connected with "Raising the Hustler" is meant to make pool self sustaining.

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Hi BigKat

We need affluent people to shoot pool and be the FACE of pool. For example, golf is commonly known as a "rich man's game". Therefore, the regular folk always want to do what the "higher ups" are doing. That's why golf has caught on in the minority community and elsewhere. Now take pool. When someone first thinks of pool, they normally don't think "affluence" they may think "hustler or cigarette smoke" or what have you. Not exactly a good marketing tool. AGAIN, I LOVE POOL IT'S IN MY HEART. I WANT IT TO GROW. BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WE MUST CHANGE THE APPROACH IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING AND MARKETING!! GET US SOME AFFLUENT FACES!! ✔✔✔✔

Please read my Op-Ed article

Perhaps it might help your perspective.

The Power of One

What motivates people to do things?

Basic needs like hunger and thirst will cause a person to look for food to eat and water to drink.

What of the other needs of a person that must be fed, the emotional needs, the things that feed our ego and our psyche?

I have been asked more than once, why would I bother to make a film about the game of pool and the people who play it.

The game itself is fun, but the people and the culture that surround the game are just "no good", is how it's usually explained to me.
I've decided to share with you some of the expressive ways the world of pool has been described to me by some of my closest friends of long standing, both from outside of pool and from within. It goes something like this-

"You're trying to plant roses in Chernobyl Angel."
"Are you making any money at it?"
"Nobody cares about pool, let it die, it's not worth saving."
And then it gets a little more personal.
"You know I love you, right? But you are pool's battered wife. You make excuses for all the bad actions of the people you're trying to help."

That last one made me both laugh and cry at the same time, partially because I can see exactly why that may be said of me and partially because I'm perceived as a victim.
I am not a victim.
I am a willing and active participant in what my friends see as some sort of fool's errand.
Even after watching and experiencing a change in the feeling at this years Mosconi Cup 2015, the fact remains,
pool has far to go.

Many people simply just look at me, pat me on my head with a "bless her heart" on their lips, which kindly translates to, poor dumb girl and watch me toddle off to the next leg of the journey. They see me dressed down, they see me dressed up, camera in hand and at the ready.
They can conceive nothing of the reason why.

What could possibly be the payoff?

I see us as more than we see ourselves.
You've shown me and I can't unsee.
I see our broken and twisted routes we stray down, like trying to make a straight shot on a table that rolls to one side, it's hard to get away from.
Only because I've ventured down those paths both in my own life and in pursuit of your story that I have firsthand knowledge.
I've made the time to learn and study what was before and what is now.
That is why I understand when those around me don't, because when I asked why and got the answer, I asked why again.
I'm not afraid of work.

If there was one thing I wasn't expecting to find, it was support. I was told not to expect it.
In any form.
Players and even people in the industry told me not to expect it.
Even when I provide them with a substantive argument backed by fact and said with all the emphatic passion in my heart,
I'm met with-

"They don't care. You can't make them care."
This is true. No one person can make someone do or feel what they don't want to.
But then, should I stop caring for those who don't care about themselves or others?
That would be the thing to do in most situations, except I must ask,
"Well why don't they care? It's their industry and sport, why wouldn't they?"

Why am I always told that no one will give help to anyone or themselves? That's a bit of logic that fails me.
I think people in the industry do care, in fact I know they care, they have cared, but they've been "bit", repeatedly,
they've been hurt on personal as well as professional levels usually prompted by greed or ego or both by the people they called friend. That's enough betrayal of trust to fill a hundred books and make a thousand films.
I too have had my share of trust betrayed.
Very unkind blows indeed to deal to someone who wants nothing more than to alleviate the burdens made by those whose sights are short. This is no small feat and the problems are many.

Patterns repeated.
The one thing pool players recognize in abundance is patterns. This extends to human nature, and psychology with pool only being the tool used as a means to an end. I get that some people have no love for the game or respect for the talent, not that talent and character go hand in hand. It's just about what they can get out of it, nothing more.

Maybe once, long ago, they loved the game, but they watched the game and their friendships go sideways, so to save themselves, they pulled away from the detritus.
I see it played out over and over again, the stories stay with me. I can't hide from what my experiences have shown me nor can I deny what my camera has captured. So I don't. I embrace it and I hold the lessons close not only so I don't forget but so something good can be salvaged. In this way, you are all made dearer to me. Even the ne'er-do-well's and the jerks. Yes even them.

"There's no money in pool and everyone's just scraping by, rooms are closing everywhere."
While it is true that rooms are closing and there are next to no new rooms opening to take their place, that doesn't mean pool is dying. It means things are changing. Fighting change is unreasonable, it leads to a cessation of growth which is unhealthy. While recognition and preservation of the old is and should be regarded and remembered,
things change and so too must we change, adapt and adjust. If you play pool, you know how to adjust all the more.

"Why should I want to help my competitors?"
and
"Because if there's a "Hooray for me, the hell with you." attitude, it resides in the pool world and you better get used to it."

Practically, collaboration and goodwill doubles market share and advances growth throughout the entirety of the companies involved. When I say goodwill I mean that goodwill takes the form of consideration and courtesy and is an overall reflection of good sportsman's conduct brought to the boardroom, tempered with the understanding that we needn't slit each others throats to make a buck. We have some of the greatest analytical minds in the biz and still we must be smarter. Being smarter includes working together.

"Yeah, yeah, is Cumbaya and hand holding next?"

I may be sans testes, but I guarantee you, if I had them, they'd be bigger than your head.
I post my own because I have the nuts, period. Maybe this only makes me crazy.
The definition of crazy is continuing to do the same thing and expect a different result. I continue to do different things and approach pool from different perspectives, so I don't think crazy is an appropriate adjective to use when describing myself and pool.
I know I can paint a bowl of fruit, but I go to the museum to see how Picasso and Rembrandt did it.
Perhaps insane would be better suited to describe me.

But am I really? I'm subjective, so here's the definition to base your conclusion on and my response to it.
in·sane
inˈsān/
adjective
"In a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; mentally ill."

What's my normal perception?
That everybody is inherently more good than bad, therefore they have the capacity to do more good than bad. What's my behaviour? I am steadfast in my work ethic, maybe not always as efficient as some but certainly effective..
Does my state of mind prevent normal social interaction?
Only when frustration and over caffeination are on the menu and grief, happiness or the amoral prompt a response from me. No I don't believe I'm insane, just determined to lay a foundation to make cue sports self sustaining.
We've always had our hand out, waiting for that magical unicorn "the sponsor" to rescue us.
The sponsor isn't coming folks, we are our own best sponsor, time to help ourselves.

Maybe no one has ever shared a perspective on the subject of pool like this.
Maybe nobody's ever pointed out just how pool is entirely interconnected to everything else before.
Or maybe it is easier just to let it die than to trust that the people who can and should take action
will now or when asked or ever.
But it's the times when I'm saddest that I find my resolve and continue.

So what is the payoff for me?

Simple answer- hope.
Sometimes hope wears a t-shirt.

From the over 1,000 people in the crowd at this years Mosconi Cup in Las Vegas, there was one person high in the stands wearing a promotional t-shirt that I did for my documentary on pool, "Raising the Hustler."
I think I sold about 100 shirts, so seeing this man donning my shirt in support of the film made me very surprised and of course, very happy. So much so, that I waited for him and his wife so I could thank him and shake his hand, because he had no idea how much of a powerful impact his choice of clothing for the day would make in my life.
It wasn't just that he was wearing the shirt, it was the reason "why" he was wearing the shirt.
He believes in us also. In spite of all the bad and all the b.s. he believes in us, just like me.

I believe that pool/billiards is more than just it's hustler stigma, it is a part of who we are as players,
it is not all that we are.

I believe that pool is more than the game we play or the heads that govern the body of pool/billiards, it is not one or two, but all, cumulatively.

I believe that pool is more than one player or face. It is the face of every weary road player, elder statesman, and every smiling child when they're at the table.
And though we're supposed to be a game played by individuals, at no other time has it become more apparent that we are changing into something more akin to a sport and growing our individual viewpoint to include room for group input from countries across the world because we are now more than ever, globally connected.
I've seen battle and brotherhood happen at the table.

While many may say there may not be very much chance that pool will ever be the success I envision it to be,
I know that I have a gamblers mentality, which is "there's always a chance" and I only gamble on myself.
I'm not betting on pool. I'm investing in it.

Kenneth, thank you for being 1 in 1000!

-Ms. Angel Levine
director/producer "Raising the Hustler"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGXWl3wE3Bw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZaUOJgnqU

http://www.billiardsmovies.com/billiards-documentary/chasing-wincardona/

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