Pool Room in Warehouse Space!

336Robin said:
Yeah thats right. Do you play on 7fts with coin slots or on 9fts?
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Both actually. As I stated ....sunday night has 18 teams. More teams than 7 footers available so 6 teams rotate playing on 9 footers.

We pay less to play on the 9 footers. As i stated ....I figured up both teams paid 31.00 for just 6 matches . Double jeapordy has 10 matches so table time would be even more. When we play on 9 footers he charges each team just 10.00 for all night.
 
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How do you pay?

lorider said:
Both actually. As I stated ....sunday night has 18 teams. More teams than 7 footers available so 6 teams rotate playing on 9 footers.

We pay less to play on the 9 footers. As i stated ....I figured up both teams paid 31.00 for just 6 matches . Double jeapordy has 10 matches so table time would be even more. When we play on 9 footers he charges each team just 10.00 for all night.
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How do you pay for each type or table? so youre paying quarters to play on the 7fts and if its your week to play on the 9fts then how much is that? when is it charged? who pays it?
 
lorider said:
You sir.....and other narrow minded people like you are part of the problem of why pool is where it I today.
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Well sir, there are 2 camps. 1 that is of the opinion leagues keep pool alive & venues open. That would be your camp.

The other is not of the opinion that bangers on bar boxes playing bastardized versions of standard pool games with handicapping systems, your own rules, scoring systems & pocket markers that are recognized NOWHERE except in your little world of trips to Vegas & Aloha series are doing anything for pool or anyone, other than yourselves. That would be my camp and never the twain shall meet. It's an agree to disagree thing.
 
Agree with what he said, that'll be 90 percent or so of the Pool playing population at slick Willie's or Barneys

Drives me nuts when they want to be rule Nazi's but know no standard rule set
 
336Robin said:
How do you pay for each type or table? so youre paying quarters to play on the 7fts and if its your week to play on the 9fts then how much is that? when is it charged? who pays it?
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On the bar tables each opponent takes turns dropping quarters during there match. Usually the person that wins the lag drops the 1 st set of quarters and his opponent drops the 2 ND rack. If I win 4-2 we both will have dropped 3 sets of quarters. If I win 4-3 I will have dropped 4 sets and my opponent will.have dropped 3. No one has ever complained about dropping 75 cent more than his opponent during a match . We all figure it evens out over a session.

On the 9 footers every captain collects 1.00 from each player for each match played. We play 10 matches so 10.00 is collected . The captain pays that 10.00 to the counter person after the matches are completed.some players will play both 8 and 9 ball and some will only play one or the other on any given week. We have 8 man teams playing 10 matches and again no one ever complains about paying 2 dollars for 2 matches while another player may have only paid one dollar for one match. Again it all evens out during the course of a session.

This is apa I am talking about. I used captain a money league team and it was a major headache which I will never do again. constant whining about ....i played 5 more matches this session than so and so did so I should get 5.00 more back or. I won more games than so and so did so I should get more than he does. Although we always came into the money it was his not worth the headaches of putting up with a bunch of whiney ass serious pool players. I would rather have a fun night out in apa where you hardly ever hear a complaint except for the obligatory sandbagger remark occasionally
 
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Scott Lee said:
Very true. Without leagues he likely wouldn't even have a poolroom to play in.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Scott, here in my area of the world....bars are giving up on pool leagues as not being financially worth while. League rules require free to play tables....and the bar buys one round of drinks for each team. Bars are not only kicking the leagues out, they're also stopping their weekly tournaments.
 
3rd Camp developing

There is a 3rd side to this. Pool tables, commercial space in shopping centers with foot traffic, food service equipment, the expense of selling alcohol, having a point of sale system that splits out alcohol and food sales, inflated television service etc is moving up. The floor space in a decent place is very expensive per square foot.

The floor space requirements for the pool tables x the price of good commercial space has gone up so high that I think its impossible to view pool as anything but a drag on a business who is making the money off of food and drinks. When you consider how much the customers spend towards the actual cost of the equipment and floor space it doesnt look so good now a days. So lets not go to hating on leagues so much as the numbers are turning against Pool...period.
 
Bank it said:
Well sir, there are 2 camps. 1 that is of the opinion leagues keep pool alive & venues open. That would be your camp.

The other is not of the opinion that bangers on bar boxes playing bastardized versions of standard pool games with handicapping systems, your own rules, scoring systems & pocket markers that are recognized NOWHERE except in your little world of trips to Vegas & Aloha series are doing anything for pool or anyone, other than yourselves. That would be my camp and never the twain shall meet. It's an agree to disagree thing.
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I also play masters. It's the only league that plays "real " pool..
 
Dropping Quarters or $2.00 a match

lorider said:
On the bar tables each opponent takes turns dropping quarters during there match. Usually the person that wins the lag drops the 1 st set of quarters and his opponent drops the 2 ND rack. If I win 4-2 we both will have dropped 3 sets of quarters. If I win 4-3 I will have dropped 4 sets and my opponent will.have dropped 3. No one has ever complained about dropping 75 cent more than his opponent during a match . We all figure it evens out over a session.

On the 9 footers every captain collects 1.00 from each player for each match played. We play 10 matches so 10.00 is collected . The captain pays that 10.00 to the counter person after the matches are completed.some players will play both 8 and 9 ball and some will only play one or the other on any given week. We have 8 man teams playing 10 matches and again no one ever complains about paying 2 dollars for 2 matches while another player may have only paid one dollar for one match. Again it all evens out during the course of a session.

This is apa I am talking about. I used captain a money league team and it was a major headache which I will never do again. constant whining about ....i played 5 more matches this session than so and so did so I should get 5.00 more back or. I won more games than so and so did so I should get more than he does. Although we always came into the money it was his not worth the headaches of putting up with a bunch of whiney ass serious pool players. I would rather have a fun night out in apa where you hardly ever hear a complaint except for the obligatory sandbagger remark occasionally
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Ok I got it dropping quarters or $2.00 a match.
 
realkingcobra said:
Scott, here in my area of the world....bars are giving up on pool leagues as not being financially worth while. League rules require free to play tables....and the bar buys one round of drinks for each team. Bars are not only kicking the leagues out, they're also stopping their weekly tournaments.
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That's on the room owners in yours and robins areas.

I have only played in 3 national organization leagues. Bcapl...apa and Napa. It's been so long I dont recall about bcapl but I can tell you for sure about apa and Napa. It's not required by either organization for an establishment to provide free pool to their members in order to host their leagues.


I guess ita cheap ass pool players in your areas that started that tradition and you reap what you sow. If players in your areas are lamenting the closing of pool halls they have no one by their selves to blame.

Kinda strange that pool halls in my area that dont provide free pool for leagues are thriving huh ?
 
lorider said:
That's on the room owners in yours and robins areas.

I have only played in 3 national organization leagues. Bcapl...apa and Napa. It's been so long I dont recall about bcapl but I can tell you for sure about apa and Napa. It's not required by either organization for an establishment to provide free pool to their members in order to host their leagues.


I guess ita cheap ass pool players in your areas that started that tradition and you reap what you sow. If players in your areas are lamenting the closing of pool halls they have no one by their selves to blame.

Kinda strange that pool halls in my area that dont provide free pool for leagues are thriving huh ?
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Not saying leagues are bad to have, just saying that I've seen leagues losing locations because of abusing the locations with their "if you want our business" requirement rules.
 
My point is that if a bar is managed by a smart owner, it'll stay in business with or without the support of pool league's.
 
RKC...That is strictly on the local league operator. There is ZERO requirement by the APA to cause room owners to allow free play, or free practice. That kind of nonsense is just poor management by some LO's. The dumbass league operators are the ones who state, "you have to do what I say" (like allow free play), or "if you let other leagues play here, I'll pull my teams". APA has never been about that BS. BTW, there are good and poor league operators in all leagues.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

realkingcobra said:
Not saying leagues are bad to have, just saying that I've seen leagues losing locations because of abusing the locations with their "if you want our business" requirement rules.
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The price of pool is the price

As long as locations allow free league play or $2.00 per match it really doesnt matter. $2.00 per match is peanuts compared to what a paying customer could be bringing in but the real issue here is there isnt anything but the 2.00 per match guy in a lot of instances.

So the obvious answer is don't allow the $2.00 per match guy to exist.

You either provide bar tables for them to play on or you don't. If you dont then you have pool time to pay.

When they go somewhere that lets the play free or for practically free you have your answer. They cant support the costs of doing business with them for pool time, thats the bottom line. You have to also sell food and drinks and hope they buy but that doesnt seem to be happening so much either because they stop at McDonalds and eat doulble cheeseburgers before they come.

It is what it is. So if you have a hypothetical place that charges $3.50 an hour is a pool league player going to come play there?

Not likely in my area unless he is also interested in the quality of his/her game.
 
realkingcobra said:
Not saying leagues are bad to have, just saying that I've seen leagues losing locations because of abusing the locations with their "if you want our business" requirement rules.
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As Scott said....its on the league operator for strong arming and the room owner for allowing that to happen.

No rooms in our area provides free pool......and I dont blame them. I dont see how anyone can think a room owner can stay in business by giving his service away for free.


As I stated before.....one owner does provide free practice time but it because he wants too....not because our lo requires it. As I said earlier....he is doing well enough that he holds money added pro tournaments and even sponsors a few pros in various tournaments.


I dont understand why pool players dont think the old adage ....if you wanna play you gotta play....dont apply to them as it does to any other endeavor you may undertake .
 
The majority

A good number of the leaguers in our area only plays once a week. I would estimate about a 1/5 of them or less come back to the room during the week.

That is the problem the owner could easily give a little if he was getting enough but with the current costs of doing business that starts working against him..
 
Well, for what it's worth, leagues seem to be about as equally screwed up as the rest of this industry is....but like the sale of Diamond pool tables, leagues are thriving out of this country....so, ask yourselves why? Then you'll start seeing why pool is on the down hill slide in this country. Won't be much longer and I guarantee you, it won't be American pool players winning the Turning Stone, US Open, or DCC anymore. All the tournament prize money payouts....will be leaving this country. As leagues continue to grow world wide, it won't be long before the American League players will be begging to join a world pool league....and be more than willing to leave any American League system behind in the dust.
 
A complete route

realkingcobra said:
Well, for what it's worth, leagues seem to be about as equally screwed up as the rest of this industry is....but like the sale of Diamond pool tables, leagues are thriving out of this country....so, ask yourselves why? Then you'll start seeing why pool is on the down hill slide in this country. Won't be much longer and I guarantee you, it won't be American pool players winning the Turning Stone, US Open, or DCC anymore. All the tournament prize money payouts....will be leaving this country. As leagues continue to grow world wide, it won't be long before the American League players will be begging to join a world pool league....and be more than willing to leave any American League system behind in the dust.
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Thats interesting. If someone has conceptualized a way to bring everyone together under one roof, that might really do something. Not sure thats going to help many room owners but times change and things change too.
 
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