Stan's New Video Part Deux

I figure for all of that, you'd play better.


(Those were straight pool lessons ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jRNPz_CEszE

From Day One I admitted I am a $10/$20 a game player.

But... I flew to a strange locale, played on-camera in the Accu-Stats Arena to a live audience at Sandcastle, and 800 viewers online, bet $10K, and asked to jack it way up at the beginning of the match, which JB refused in spite of repeatedly claiming he would accept *all* bets at the start of the match.

There was also the fact that a lot more than money was riding on the game -- it was 20 years of bad blood and eternal bragging rights at stake :-). That was the real bet which weighed more on both of us than the cash.

Given all that, I am more than happy with how I played and took home the cheese ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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(Those were straight pool lessons ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jRNPz_CEszE

From Day One I admitted I am a $10/$20 a game player.

But... I flew to a strange locale, played on-camera in the Accu-Stats Arena to a live audience at Sandcastle, and 800 viewers online, bet $10K, and asked to jack it way up at the beginning of the match, which JB refused in spite of repeatedly claiming he would accept *all* bets at the start of the match.

There was also the fact that a lot more than money was riding on the game -- it was 20 years of bad blood and eternal bragging rights at stake :-). That was the real bet which weighed more on both of us than the cash.

Given all that, I am more than happy with how I played and took home the cheese ;-)

Lou Figueroa

I will commend you for that. It was a pretty huge match for those of us that knew the history behind it.

Part Deaux?
 
I will commend you for that. It was a pretty huge match for those of us that knew the history behind it.

Part Deaux?


For the last two years I have had a standing offer to JB to come take a shot at his $10,000 here in St. Louis.

If he has the need to bet more, I am pretty certain he will be accommodated to whatever number will satisfy. We have plenty of folks here with very deep pockets that would be more than happy to bet with him... if he posts.

Having said that, the window on that offer is closing quickly. I am dealing with a torn meniscus in my left knee that has me doing the pirate peg-leg walk around the table and at 63 I ain't getting any younger.

"Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, Clarice."

Lou Figueroa
 
For the last two years I have had a standing offer to JB to come take a shot at his $10,000 here in St. Louis.

If he has the need to bet more, I am pretty certain he will be accommodated to whatever number will satisfy. We have plenty of folks here with very deep pockets that would be more than happy to bet with him... if he posts.

Having said that, the window on that offer is closing quickly. I am dealing with a torn meniscus in my left knee that has me doing the pirate peg-leg walk around the table and at 63 I ain't getting any younger.

"Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, Clarice."

Lou Figueroa

And you have a standing offer to come to OKC for $20,000. You won't come, you won't play so shut up about it.

Go ahead with the blah blah blah......

OKC 10 AHEAD for $20,000.

After Feb. 19th because I am playing someone else a 4k match then.

Hope your torn whatever gets better so it's one less excuse not to come and play.
 
And you have a standing offer to come to OKC for $20,000. You won't come, you won't play so shut up about it.

Go ahead with the blah blah blah......

OKC 10 AHEAD for $20,000.

After Feb. 19th because I am playing someone else a 4k match then.

Hope your torn whatever gets better so it's one less excuse not to come and play.

Damn I've missed your posts!
Jason
 
What I've NEVER understood is all this come here, go there bs - its a gawddamn pool table, stfu and get it on wherever the F its at. I would want at most 30 mins to get used to it
Jason
 
(Those were straight pool lessons ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jRNPz_CEszE

From Day One I admitted I am a $10/$20 a game player.

But... I flew to a strange locale, played on-camera in the Accu-Stats Arena to a live audience at Sandcastle, and 800 viewers online, bet $10K, and asked to jack it way up at the beginning of the match, which JB refused in spite of repeatedly claiming he would accept *all* bets at the start of the match.

There was also the fact that a lot more than money was riding on the game -- it was 20 years of bad blood and eternal bragging rights at stake :-). That was the real bet which weighed more on both of us than the cash.

Given all that, I am more than happy with how I played and took home the cheese ;-)

Lou Figueroa

You played like a donkey and I played like a bigger donkey. there are about 10,000 players in America who would have happily "swam a river of shit" to play either of us.

I asked you FOUR TIMES.... repeat FOUR TIMES to double the bet BEFORE THE MATCH.

FOUR TIMES. All four times were met with 100% silence.

The DAY I started the Super Billiards Expo, not one minute before, you make a post on AZB saying you want to jack the bet. - So then I have to deal with people coming up to talk about that instead of buying cases. -

You guys thought you were being cute.....but it backfired because my wife and I decided that we had enough invested and we had also just spent a huge amount on another project so your little move didn't get any traction.

You're an evil person Lou. One of the few I have had the unfortunate experience of crossing paths with in my life. You're truly odious beyond the norm. A malicious evil person whose presence on the earth is of no value in my opinion. Is that harsh, yes it is. At one time I thought maybe you had some honor and were actually a nice person but in fact the truth is that you have no honor and you are quite distasteful.

After nine hours of one pocket and with me playing the absolute worst of my life you were three games ahead of me. You're a crap one pocket player. If I had had my head on straight I would have destroyed you from the first shot onward. You were a flunky part of a group of wannabe hustlers who all conspired to mess with me. Cool you did that. Took you 12 years to step up and play and even then you wouldn't move a muscle until they goaded you into. You, Lenny Marshal, Mike Lalumiere and anyone else involved are simply evil people pure and simple. Not one of you has any honor or decency. But at the end of the day I could have beaten you easily but I failed to prepare properly so regardless of all the head games you played the end result is purely my fault. You were just the recipient of a gift no more no less.

If you want to come to OKC and play bring your deep pocketed friends and lets play. But we know you won't. You're scared now like you were scared then. Your game is atrocious and you can't win. I have zero interest in breaking even or coming to play you in St. Louis. Not because I don't think I can't win. I can beat you anywhere. Because I am not giving you one damn thing that YOU want.

I will pay you 10 ahead one pocket at Jamacia Joes in Midwest City Oklahoma for $20,000. That's the ONLY offer on the table that you get. No head games, no BS, no "hustle" from your "group" pretending to be my friend.

So when you finally get a heart transplant go to google maps and figure out the best route to OKC.
 
What I've NEVER understood is all this come here, go there bs - its a gawddamn pool table, stfu and get it on wherever the F its at. I would want at most 30 mins to get used to it
Jason

Not about the table for me. Not at all.
 
Your a good guy Mohrt, actually cookie cruncher and belvabich are probably alright guys.
I gotta ask you, how serious are you about your game. Is this system give you the feeling that your game is gonna become great? The way Stans presents it in his videos you would think there would be some pro1 champs showing up already. Why hasn't this happened?

Anyone in this conversation can try their luck playing Tyler Styer. Or Landon Shuffett.
 
And you have a standing offer to come to OKC for $20,000. You won't come, you won't play so shut up about it.

Go ahead with the blah blah blah......

OKC 10 AHEAD for $20,000.

After Feb. 19th because I am playing someone else a 4k match then.

Hope your torn whatever gets better so it's one less excuse not to come and play.

What year is this? Well, either I'm having a stroke or the 3 year forum loop has happened.

My theory is that every 2-3 year the same threads and topics get revisited, everyone gives the same replies as last time and...dear God! I wrote this once before!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTUCzxsW9-c&t=579s


Well, i give up. There are no real answers when the leader decides to insulate himself from scrutiny, and the followers (see, I didn't say cult members) will support everything the leader says religiously.

I do have to note one remark Stan made. He says the brain is a computer figuring everything out through repetition. When you perfect aiming through ghost ball, apparently, it isn't good enough because you are still guessing. Actually, you aren't guessing at that point. Your computer brain is telling you when the shot looks right. That's not a guess. It is how virtually every professional player plays the game and is the reason they can't really tell you how they pocket balls. The only problem is nobody had to invent that.

It has become more and more clear to me, especially after this video, why CTE seems to work and why there are no rational explanations. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Stan's new book explains how his system is objective.

Is your aiming perfect through Ghost Ball?

How many pros do you ACTUALLY know Dan? I know dozens of them personally. Stan knows dozens of them personally. Contrary to whatever you think you know about how professional players think about the game I can tell you that the ones I know with whom I have had conversations about the game are fully able to articulate how they pocket balls, how they aim, why they aim the way they do and what they think about the various aiming methods. Professionals actually have thought about the mechanics of the game to a far higher degree than most of us have. Not only can they explain them they can execute what they know with a high degree of consistency.

I don't care what you THINK you can personally do. Just prove it by outshooting the best practitioners of the method you want to debunk. It's easy. Go head to head and make the shots they make in less tries. I can tell you that in my experience and in my opinion it will take either those who use other great systems or extremely good players to equal or exceed the shotmaking of any really good player who uses CTE.

Because at the end of the day the table doesn't lie.

And here is another test.

We could do this one remotely.

At one location the shots are chosen and Stan can call out the aiming perception (key). Then five CTE users can simultaneously try the shot and five GB/feel users can try the shot live and every one can see who is able to make the shot in less tries.

Because the FACT is that CTE is OBJECTIVE. So much so that any CTE user can tell any other CTE user the EXACT aiming "code" for ANY shot and that other CTE user will have a freaking amazingly great chance to pocket the ball or get extremely close.

So, it doesn't matter if you "believe" in CTE or not. It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of USE. Those who use it know how powerful of a TOOL that it is.

And guess what....those us who USE CTE have a bunch of other tools at our disposal, INCLUDING Ghost Ball, which we use when it's the right tool for the shot.

And yes, some people have reached a point where they no longer need to deliberately use any particular tool to aim or measure up a shot. Others will never reach that point and manage to play great even when deliberately and consciously using mental methods to help them aim their shots. And many will shoot most shots without any deliberate measuring but will go back to the toolbox when they feel they need to.

Stan Shuffett happens to be the most studied practitioner of the CTE method of aiming. Not a priest or guru or cult leader but just a student of a method he learned and has since refined beyond the original introduction. The constant put downs by you and others are tiresome but not unexpected at this point. The thing is that just because you are skeptical of a method makes it no less valid. Which is to say again, if you can do what Stan does as good or better than him then prove it. Otherwise stop saying it's not valid if you can't disprove it. Not that you will but you should.

For the rest of us if we can't do what Stan does we have the sense to try and duplicate the method so as to judge the merit for ourselves. Most of us have found great benefit from the CTE method of aiming. And I personally have found great benefit from it and several others. I find the whole genre fascinating.

As an aside, the other day I was looking through old billiard patents and it's clear to me that Ghost Ball isn't quite as "easy" as some on here want to make it seem by virtue of the amount of patents for ghost ball aiming devices.

PERHAPS - just perhaps some people could figure out that maybe, just maybe, ghost ball, as easy as it is to diagram and as easy as it is to understand, is not really that easy to use in practice. And PERHAPS - maybe in a multiverse - there exists people who are open-minded enough to think that it's possible that other methods could be and have been discovered that work extremely well with no need to have dozens of devices to assist them in learning how to use them in practice.
 
What year is this? Well, either I'm having a stroke or the 3 year forum loop has happened.

My theory is that every 2-3 year the same threads and topics get revisited, everyone gives the same replies as last time and...dear God! I wrote this once before!

Well the same nonsense post gets the same response. Facts don't change just because time passes.
 
I just want to make it clear Dan. I'm not a follower for the sake of following. Hal Houle had unravelled a very perplexing visual occurrence at the table, one that could be used to pocket balls in a very highly proficient manner, and one very unlike conventional aiming. He spent much of his life working out all sorts of pool related things, and CTE was just one of them, but probably the most prominent one.

Hal shared his findings with a lot of people, Stan included. Hal never told the whole story, he always wanted you to figure things out for yourself, and he'd feed you bits and pieces along the way. Stan took the challenge to solve it once and for all. This challenge has not been without its hardships, that is for sure. The journey through DVDs and online videos to his upcoming book, a lot of new information and words to explain it have been discovered along the way.

When I first heard of CTE I was very skeptical. I'm an IT professional, I'm very technical, analytical, scrutinizing by trade and by personality. I bought DVD1 just for curiosity sake. My first run through I was at a loss, I didn't get it at all. But there was something about it that made me decide to just go through the motions for some weeks and see what happened. That is how it finally clicked what was going on, at least visually. Although the words were not perfect, what was happening visually was finally revealed to myself. This prompted to me want to learn more, as I now knew that whatever this was, it was working and now I understood the passion and determination to figure it out felt by others.

I think the biggest hurdle to CTE is the language that surrounds it. I think that is slowly coming to a close for those that truly want to seek it out and put in some work at the table for themselves. That is what it took for me, and even if the language was perfected it will still take some upfront work to get the wheels greased on this system. I also think that standing at a table with a knowledgable person goes a LONG way in figuring it out quicker. It is HARD to put into words how this system works in a way that someone can walk to a table and figure it out. We never had anything close to this before Stan put out his information.

This was my journey as well. I will add to it that a prominent Taiwanese pool coach watched the DVD 1 and copied the motions for 30 minutes and then turned to me and said, "it works."
 
Did I hear him right, aiming at the back of the ball where the contact point goes to the pocket is the wrong way to line up to the ball??? What...:confused: Is this Guy a real pool instructor or just cte? Its hard to tell.

You can't beat him. I have $2000 to bet on that opinion.
 
I didn't realize I had the power to prevent people from moving on in a positive direction. Who knew? :shrug:

Hey, I was out of this forum for a long time until JB pulled me in by posting to a youtube video. You guys are about as bad as the global warming crowd. All you have to do is ask for some data or evidence that has meaning and all hell breaks loose.

Pool is full of dead ends. That does not mean there is no merit in them. Often you learn something you weren't expecting, or pick up some skill, when you were trying to do something else. So it's nothing to me if someone wants to learn this stuff.

It is the baseless claims that become problematic, but I'm not of a mind to harp on it unless Stan keeps making videos that don't make a lot of sense when you dig beneath the surface just a little.

I didn't realize I had the power to "pull you in". Who knew?

Gee you mean to tell me you watched a video and were sufficiently motivated to do something?

And yet you mockingly try to assert that giving your opinion in a public venue has no power to influence another person's decisions. No, there is NO CHANCE that a negative review or critical commentary could influence a person to stay away from something. I wonder myself why I read reviews of products I am interested in since they have no power to influence my purchasing decisions.
 
Person A: 2+2 = 5

Person B: No, 2 + 2 does not equal 5. How can you even say that?

Neil: Who made you the sole aribiter (not arbitrator) of what makes sense and what doesn't?

We aren't talking math here.

What claims specifically are you talking about? Why don't you LIST THEM?

I don't understand most of what's posted here.

http://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/physics-of-billiards.html

does that make any of it any less true assuming that it's all true?

Does your lack of understanding of the Center to Edge system make it any less valid?

When engineers and other professionals tell you it works and not just as a jedi mind trick you dismiss them. What makes you smarter than them? Belief in Bob Jewett? Belief in Dave Alciatore?

They are your appeals to authority?

Well, guess what? I can do EVERYTHING that Dr. Dave can. I can do everything that Bob Jewett can. At least I can do everything that they have taught on video and in magazine articles. I can also shoot shots using CTE to a pretty high level. They can't. Now they "might" be able to hand with Stan in a shot making contest but I would bet that they can't.

I would bet that you can't. I would bet that Lou can't. As good as you are, and all of you are very good, you are not as good as you could be in my opinion. And the reason is because you refuse to learn and use the tools that could make you even better.

I, on the other hand, am EAGER to devour anything that Dr. Dave or Bob Jewett or you or anyone can show me ON THE TABLE. If you can do it then I can do it. It's literally that simple. Whether or not I can do it immediately depends on my level of mechanical skill and my mental aptitude. My thinking is that if I see someone do something then I want to learn how they did it. And if I can't duplicate it then I certainly don't want to run around in public saying it's not valid just because I personally could not figure it out.
 
I'm not stopping anybody from buying DVD's and learning CTE. I'm also not trying to convert any cult members over to reality. That ship has sailed. That leaves only entertainment. When you guys get boring I'll leave. :)

LOL, you literally made a thread ONLY to troll.

The only cult is the cult of haterism that runs through you. The word hater is so accurate.

All Hal Houle ever wanted to do was help people play better pool. To my knowledge he never asked for any money from anyone. He spent a lot of time figuring out various ways to aim that worked.

Some of the folks he taught took it much further and developed their own methods based on the discoveries Hal had made.

To my mind IF Hal's methods were not useful then they would have literally died through inconsistency in results and abandonment by instructors. But what actually happened is that many players found amazingly consistent results and instructors found amazingly consistent methods to teach their students better ways to aim.

But the underlying point is that the motivation was to raise up the level of play overall and to increase the enjoyment when playing. And it still is.

Anyone who actively acts against that is a hater. And they are also evil. Yes I said it, they are EVIL. it goes beyond simple disagreement and into actual malice. By virtue of calling us cult members and by extension Stan (and other isntructors) cult leaders you have crossed into the evil side of it. You are actively working to bring pool down by your actions. You may think otherwise and think you are just trying to save people from wasting time on silly methods but the fact is that EVEN IF those methods were silly then they are in fact harmless in that they do not make players worse.

Assuming that each person has at the very least the capacity to understand what the results on the table are telling them they ought to be free to try what they want without being called delusional IF they happen to find that they like it. Either they ARE making more balls or they are not. To actively attempt to prevent the growth of pool in this way is despicable.

I hope I was clear enough.
 
I did buy the first DVD and was sent the 2nd DVD gratis by someone who wanted me to review it. I passed on the 2nd because reviewing it would have been ruled "piling on." The DVD was total nonsense.

Lou Figueroa

Yet you won't dare play anyone who is at "your" level for any significant money who uses CTE. Your level being a "100 ball runner and a state champion".

Your "review" was total nonsense and biased to the hilt. You could be twice the player you are if you had enough sense to understand the material you claim to own.
 
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