Shaw's Aiming

[JB Cases]

it trips me out that some people think that just because a player doesn't use any specific "aiming system" that this invalidates the whole concept of aiming systems.

Who cares if Jason uses one or not? If he does then great and if he shares it then great?

I bet we could go back ten years and find many posts where people are saying Shane is all natural just point and shoot.

Then what happens? Because of ALL of the conversation around aiming someone ASKS Shane point blank and - surprise - Shane has an aiming system. One that he says he figured out.

Here is a fact....Jason, Shane, Rodney, Efren, all the pros have put in more table time than you can imagine figuring out how to do what they do. Some of them probably spend that time hitting millions of balls and just internalizing the results and some of them are more deliberate than that in that they try to classify and parse out the cause and effect and develop systematic ways to repeat the results they want.

In any case they have not only THOUGHT more about pool than you, they have PLAYED more pool than you, by a very very very large margin.

The phrase forgot more than you know applies perfectly to them. In fact, while you are here arguing about how to play they are probably hitting balls.

I would be interested to know if Jason has a systematic way to aim. I don't think he does but if he does I would not be surprised. Aiming systems make it easier to appear like a 'natural' shotmaker. The viewers have no clue what the player is seeing and "measuring" with his eyes as he approaches the shot.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

it trips me out that some people think that just because a player doesn't use any specific "aiming system" that this invalidates the whole concept of aiming systems.

Who cares if Jason uses one or not? If he does then great and if he shares it then great?

I bet we could go back ten years and find many posts where people are saying Shane is all natural just point and shoot.

Then what happens? Because of ALL of the conversation around aiming someone ASKS Shane point blank and - surprise - Shane has an aiming system. One that he says he figured out.

Here is a fact....Jason, Shane, Rodney, Efren, all the pros have put in more table time than you can imagine figuring out how to do what they do. Some of them probably spend that time hitting millions of balls and just internalizing the results and some of them are more deliberate than that in that they try to classify and parse out the cause and effect and develop systematic ways to repeat the results they want.

In any case they have not only THOUGHT more about pool than you, they have PLAYED more pool than you, by a very very very large margin.

The phrase forgot more than you know applies perfectly to them. In fact, while you are here arguing about how to play they are probably hitting balls.

I would be interested to know if Jason has a systematic way to aim. I don't think he does but if he does I would not be surprised. Aiming systems make it easier to appear like a 'natural' shotmaker. The viewers have no clue what the player is seeing and "measuring" with his eyes as he approaches the shot.

He's British. No British player ever bothers with drivel like this.

 

[JB Cases]

He's British. No British player ever bothers with drivel like this.

It is Thaiger. How are you pal. Still the same I see.

Phil Burford. Pal.

 

[JB Cases]

He's British. No British player ever bothers with drivel like this.

You were saying?

 

[JB Cases]

He's British. No British player ever bothers with drivel like this.

“I would like to thank Stan Shuffet for teaching me Pro One/CTE. I use this system full time now and after living in America for five months last year, I believe my game has jumped up at least a ball!” claimed an understandably delighted Burford.


http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201103/billiard-news/the-2011-gb9-midlands-classic.html

 

[lfigueroa]

“I would like to thank Stan Shuffet for teaching me Pro One/CTE. I use this system full time now and after living in America for five months last year, I believe my game has jumped up at least a ball!” claimed an understandably delighted Burford.


http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201103/billiard-news/the-2011-gb9-midlands-classic.html

You do know that if... you dig back just a few posts.... that Stan and others have thrown you under the CTE bus severel times now. Says you know nothing of CTE nor his system.

As for Shaw, well, at least he didn't claim a two ball improvement like you did right before our match

Lou Figueroa
just sayin'

 

[HawaiianEye]

Anybody that consistently makes balls has a system. They may not be able to explain it to anyone's satisfaction or understanding, but that's beside the point.

 

[Dan White]

I think people are confusing "aiming system" with "pre-shot routine." Players are taught to do the same thing on every shot. Get down on the ball the same way, put the cue on the table the same way, etc. This repetition creates a consistency that minimizes errors in shot making. Just because some player might start with the edge of his tip at center ball, or the tip on the cloth when he addresses the shot, that does not mean it has anything to do with how he is actually aiming the shot.

Good players do not rely on aiming systems to know where to hit the cue ball, period. They just know where to hit it. If you do not understand that then you are not a good enough player yourself to be spouting off in this discussion. I am an OK player, certainly no world beater, and even I am good enough just to "know" where to aim the ball.

The big elephant in the room nobody is talking about is the stroke. Again, if you do not realize that the stroke is harder to master than aim by a very large margin, then you do not belong in this conversation. When I miss it is 95% caused by improper stroke. I can set up the same shot, aim at the exact same contact point and pocket the ball with a better stroke.

IMO, aiming systems created by pro players are part devices to help beginners and low intermediate players do better, and part income generating enterprises. Very few try to sell "good stroke" systems because it is hard work to achieve, and you can't sell a system for it.

 

[Prey]

I am shocked that anyone would think a world class player aims by feel. Mosconi is rolling his eyes

 

[Pathetic Shark]

You do know that if... you dig back just a few posts.... that Stan and others have thrown you under the CTE bus severel times now. Says you know nothing of CTE nor his system.

As for Shaw, well, at least he didn't claim a two ball improvement like you did right before our match

Lou Figueroa
just sayin'

Interesting that Stan didn't say that at the time - he was proud to call John a friend and all that.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

It is Thaiger. How are you pal. Still the same I see.

Phil Burford. Pal.

Can someone point Barton in the direction of the report button, please? He appears to not know where it is, and i worry constantly repeating the same thing in the hope it eventually gets picked up will drive him over the edge. John Barton, a man of integrity and heart.

As for burford, he needs CTE about as much as a fish needs a bicycle.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

I think people are confusing "aiming system" with "pre-shot routine." Players are taught to do the same thing on every shot. Get down on the ball the same way, put the cue on the table the same way, etc. This repetition creates a consistency that minimizes errors in shot making. Just because some player might start with the edge of his tip at center ball, or the tip on the cloth when he addresses the shot, that does not mean it has anything to do with how he is actually aiming the shot.

Good players do not rely on aiming systems to know where to hit the cue ball, period. They just know where to hit it. If you do not understand that then you are not a good enough player yourself to be spouting off in this discussion. I am an OK player, certainly no world beater, and even I am good enough just to "know" where to aim the ball.

The big elephant in the room nobody is talking about is the stroke. Again, if you do not realize that the stroke is harder to master than aim by a very large margin, then you do not belong in this conversation. When I miss it is 95% caused by improper stroke. I can set up the same shot, aim at the exact same contact point and pocket the ball with a better stroke.

IMO, aiming systems created by pro players are part devices to help beginners and low intermediate players do better, and part income generating enterprises. Very few try to sell "good stroke" systems because it is hard work to achieve, and you can't sell a system for it.

Yeah, this is pretty much it. The sheer nerve of the likes of Barton telling the pool world how to play is beyond parody. It's the equivalent of Barton telling Jane Fonda how to do fitness videos. No, wait...

https://youtu.be/Z_IGgAuUVpY

 

[JB Cases]

I think people are confusing "aiming system" with "pre-shot routine." Players are taught to do the same thing on every shot. Get down on the ball the same way, put the cue on the table the same way, etc. This repetition creates a consistency that minimizes errors in shot making. Just because some player might start with the edge of his tip at center ball, or the tip on the cloth when he addresses the shot, that does not mean it has anything to do with how he is actually aiming the shot.

Good players do not rely on aiming systems to know where to hit the cue ball, period. They just know where to hit it. If you do not understand that then you are not a good enough player yourself to be spouting off in this discussion. I am an OK player, certainly no world beater, and even I am good enough just to "know" where to aim the ball.

The big elephant in the room nobody is talking about is the stroke. Again, if you do not realize that the stroke is harder to master than aim by a very large margin, then you do not belong in this conversation. When I miss it is 95% caused by improper stroke. I can set up the same shot, aim at the exact same contact point and pocket the ball with a better stroke.

IMO, aiming systems created by pro players are part devices to help beginners and low intermediate players do better, and part income generating enterprises. Very few try to sell "good stroke" systems because it is hard work to achieve, and you can't sell a system for it.

Nick Varner told me flat out the exact opposite. He said that aiming is harder. He said that he never doubted his stroke and whenever he missed it was almost certainly because he aimed wrong.

You're way late to the party. And you don't BELONG in the conversation because you're off in the corner having your own conversation and occasionally interrupting the actual conversation to state points made and discussed long ago.

Aiming is DIFFERENT than stroke. Aiming is ONLY deciding WHERE to put the cue down so that it may be stroked along a line.

As for "selling" a good stroke? IS YOUR GOOGLE BROKEN?

Oh gee let's see, You probably need some of these devices.

Stroke Trainer

DigiCue

Perfect Stroke

Third Eye Stroke Trainer

Second Eye Stroke Trainer (copy of the 3rd eye)

QMD Stroke Analyzer

360 Pure Action Stroke Trainer

Mezz Stroke Trainer

https://www.google.com/search?q=str...KEwivpvyGr8TRAhWHhlQKHfaaCxk4ChCwBAh_&dpr=1.8

 

[JB Cases]

I think people are confusing "aiming system" with "pre-shot routine." Players are taught to do the same thing on every shot. Get down on the ball the same way, put the cue on the table the same way, etc. This repetition creates a consistency that minimizes errors in shot making. Just because some player might start with the edge of his tip at center ball, or the tip on the cloth when he addresses the shot, that does not mean it has anything to do with how he is actually aiming the shot.

Good players do not rely on aiming systems to know where to hit the cue ball, period. They just know where to hit it. If you do not understand that then you are not a good enough player yourself to be spouting off in this discussion. I am an OK player, certainly no world beater, and even I am good enough just to "know" where to aim the ball.

The big elephant in the room nobody is talking about is the stroke. Again, if you do not realize that the stroke is harder to master than aim by a very large margin, then you do not belong in this conversation. When I miss it is 95% caused by improper stroke. I can set up the same shot, aim at the exact same contact point and pocket the ball with a better stroke.

IMO, aiming systems created by pro players are part devices to help beginners and low intermediate players do better, and part income generating enterprises. Very few try to sell "good stroke" systems because it is hard work to achieve, and you can't sell a system for it.

By people maybe you mean you?

We are not confusing aiming system with pre-shot routine. One can have a dead nuts perfect aiming system and a lousy pre-shot routine. Or a great picture perfect pre-shot routine and terrible aiming.

 

[JB Cases]

You do know that if... you dig back just a few posts.... that Stan and others have thrown you under the CTE bus severel times now. Says you know nothing of CTE nor his system.

As for Shaw, well, at least he didn't claim a two ball improvement like you did right before our match

Lou Figueroa
just sayin'

No one has thrown me under any bus.

I did have a two ball improvement. Just because I played like a donkey in our match doesn't mean I didn't improve as a player through my experiences and lessons.

I gifted you the match through reversion to the worst habits of my life on the pool table. Had I played like I really can you would have lost badly.

As is was you could barely win.

 

[JB Cases]

Can someone point Barton in the direction of the report button, please? He appears to not know where it is, and i worry constantly repeating the same thing in the hope it eventually gets picked up will drive him over the edge. John Barton, a man of integrity and heart.

As for burford, he needs CTE about as much as a fish needs a bicycle.

Does not matter if he needs it or not the fact is he learned it and uses it thereby again proving you wrong as I have done so easily on so many past occasions.

No need to report you, I am sure the mods are aware of who you are.

 

[lfigueroa]

No one has thrown me under any bus.

I did have a two ball improvement. Just because I played like a donkey in our match doesn't mean I didn't improve as a player through my experiences and lessons.

I gifted you the match through reversion to the worst habits of my life on the pool table. Had I played like I really can you would have lost badly.

As is was you could barely win.

Soooo, those thread marks running down you back are a fashion statement?

Look John, you had months to prepare for our match. The truth of the matter is that that's how you play. Months before we played I was told you play like a donkey all the time at Jamaica Joe's, by folks there; I saw with my own two peepers how you played like a donkey your first match at the DCC, just two months before we played; and I watched you play like a donkey during our match. I have recently been told you still play like a donkey at JJ's.

You play like a donkey.

Accept it, own it, embrace the donkiness of your game. Thinking your performance during our match was some kind of anomaly is just lying to yourself.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

Soooo, those thread marks running down you back are a fashion statement?

Look John, you had months to prepare for our match. The truth of the matter is that that's how you play. Months before we played I was told you play like a donkey all the time at Jamaica Joe's, by folks there; I saw with my own two peepers how you played like a donkey your first match at the DCC, just two months before we played; and I watched you play like a donkey during our match. I have recently been told you still play like a donkey at JJ's.

You play like a donkey.

Accept it, own it, embrace the donkiness of your game. Thinking your performance during our match was some kind of anomaly is just lying to yourself.

Lou Figueroa

Then post the money son.

 

[cookie man]

Can someone point Barton in the direction of the report button, please? He appears to not know where it is, and i worry constantly repeating the same thing in the hope it eventually gets picked up will drive him over the edge. John Barton, a man of integrity and heart.

As for burford, he needs CTE about as much as a fish needs a bicycle.

Apparently Phil thought he needed it when he left the Philippines that year. Visited Stan for lessons soon after he left

 

[Pathetic Shark]

Does not matter if he needs it or not the fact is he learned it and uses it thereby again proving you wrong as I have done so easily on so many past occasions.

Lol.

No need to report you, I am sure the mods are aware of who you are.

Lol.