I guess you've never had a ball skid or throw on you, then. After all, you did say the ONLY reason is because of bad aim.
Learn with an aiming system or not
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I guess you've never had a ball skid or throw on you, then. After all, you did say the ONLY reason is because of bad aim.
A method is a orderliness of habit that doesn't revolve around principles and procedures calculated to produce a disired result ,, you actualy use methods to make a system ,, like math ,geometry , algibra and so on
Which is what CTE is ,,
Aiming by the shaft is simply not a system
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Ak,....
It is not a lengthy answer, but I believe Earl and Efren use the same "sysem" as SVB does right now,.....
It's called :
8 hours of practice every day!
Wish I had the time and patience to do 8hrs/day! :thud: :grin-square:
Oh boy.......
I think you want to try again.
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Ok, I stand corrected. IF that happens, and it happens rarely, then it's an external event that the shooter has no control over.
So I will AMEND my statement to say that WHEN the SHOOTER has control and he sends the cueball straight down the line with a good stroke and no EXTERNAL reason like a skid, hitting a piece of chalk, or throw due to unexpected friction happens, then the ONLY reason for the miss is having aimed wrong.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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Gonna make some dust before the game.
Since system is formed on the basis of principles, it often refers to a body or theory or practice relating to or prescribing a particular form of government or religion. Expressions such as ‘systems of philosophy’, ‘systems of political thought’ and the like are often heard due to the fact that system is characterized by principles.
Another important difference between method and system is that method is guided by mental activity whereas system is guided by logical activity. This is the reason why many mathematical problems are solved by different methods whereas philosophical and political problems are answered by different systems.
Method is based on procedure whereas system is based on plan. In other words it can be said that procedures determine methods. On the other hand plans determine systems (via jenna at dh inc). Thus the two words are characterized by minute differences between them.
Close but no cigar , CTE and Clock are systems simply aiming a cue is a method ,,
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Hmmm...I can see where you are coming from, but I don`t know if we have the same understanding of an aiming system.
In my eyes it is just something to find the (exact) contact point for the cue ball on the object ball.
You describe it as much more, that influences your stance, stroke and so on...maybe...I don´t know...more of a pre shot system?
You say, that most of the pool players take the aiming part for granted and I agree, that they shouldn`t, but I also think, that aiming is something very natural. We aim everyday and all the time...if we reach for something, if we catch something, if we try to put a fork in our mouth and not in our eyes, if we try to fill a glas...same goes for the pool table I guess.
I remember a discussion I had with some of my clubmates over aiming, bad eyesight, fundamentals etc. a few yer ago.
Coincidentally the best player in our club (multiple tournament winner, medals in European Championships) was just practicing on the table next to us, so we made a little experiment.
One of us had a little laserpointer on his keychain and so we used it to find the hit point on the objectball and then let the semipro execute the shot.
99% of the time even the worst of us amateur players got it right immediately, which showed us that our aiming was spot on...and made obvious, that we all were missing shots because of other things we did wrong.
Anyway, I guess it doesn`t matter, if this systems help your aiming, or your mindset or both. If you find something that helps your game, use it
My concern is, if your main problem is the thin cut, why overhaul your current game to just fix that one shot? You fix that one shot first!
Do you actually go to a table and practice those thin cuts? Set them up with a GoPro (it can film 240fps) and you'll see why you miss them. Because likely, you're not doing what you think you are. It wouldn't be a bad idea to take vids during practice and even a match, this way you can identify what parts of your game you need to improve.
As to playing outside home... It's probably mostly nerves. Here then, if for one thing, an aiming system could be your friend because it puts you into a pre-shot routine; you can take your mind off the distractions. Though it's something you should have anyway. Then again, it's not a panacea; you can get so consumed by it that you don't see the bigger picture. Playing out more, and getting into more tournaments and matches, will increase your confidence, or at least make you feel more comfortable playing under pressure. All the aiming systems and stroke practicing mean nothing if you cannot perform them when it's all on the line.
Just as a general note about systems in general as applied to our chosen affliction (billiards)
It is always preferred to be as free from the flowering nexus that is uncertainty born of too much information. But many years of fruitless avoidance has taught me that it is best to just let it spill into your head like so much gazpacho on a shingle and cherry-pick the choicest items from the pile.
It is an imperfect method, but I do like the element of randomness. It must be the impressionist in me.
Lesh
It is always preferred to be as free from the flowering nexus that is uncertainty born of too much information. But many years of fruitless avoidance has taught me that it is best to just let it spill into your head like so much gazpacho on a shingle and cherry-pick the choicest items from the pile.
It is an imperfect method, but I do like the element of randomness. It must be the impressionist in me.
Lesh
Go ahead and keep holding onto your narrow definition while totally dismissing all other definitions as if they don't even exist. Even when they are printed out in black and white for you to easily read.
Go ahead and keep holding onto your narrow definition while totally dismissing all other definitions as if they don't even exist. Even when they are printed out in black and white for you to easily read.
You do realize that's not my definition it is a CnP off the difference between web site ,, and I'm actualy very open minded and I'm relitivly sure if I asked 100 people ,
If I'm going to shoot a pool ball in the pocket using calculated angles parts of balls sweeps from the side and pivot points or aim the edge of my shaft thru the cue ball to the object ball which one is a system and which is a method
I'm pretty sure the vast majority would pic CTE as the system
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Hmmm...I can see where you are coming from, but I don`t know if we have the same understanding of an aiming system.
In my eyes it is just something to find the (exact) contact point for the cue ball on the object ball.
You describe it as much more, that influences your stance, stroke and so on...maybe...I don´t know...more of a pre shot system?
You say, that most of the pool players take the aiming part for granted and I agree, that they shouldn`t, but I also think, that aiming is something very natural. We aim everyday and all the time...if we reach for something, if we catch something, if we try to put a fork in our mouth and not in our eyes, if we try to fill a glas...same goes for the pool table I guess.
I remember a discussion I had with some of my clubmates over aiming, bad eyesight, fundamentals etc. a few yer ago.
Coincidentally the best player in our club (multiple tournament winner, medals in European Championships) was just practicing on the table next to us, so we made a little experiment.
One of us had a little laserpointer on his keychain and so we used it to find the hit point on the objectball and then let the semipro execute the shot.
99% of the time even the worst of us amateur players got it right immediately, which showed us that our aiming was spot on...and made obvious, that we all were missing shots because of other things we did wrong.
Anyway, I guess it doesn`t matter, if this systems help your aiming, or your mindset or both. If you find something that helps your game, use it
I have also done experiments with lasers. Both pointers and fanned lines. Sure, most people have zero problem to find the center of the object ball which is exactly opposite of the pocket.
But pool has one more requirement that most other activities do not. It is that you must aim to propel a sphere into another sphere so that the second sphere then goes to the destination. Anyone can put a laser on the contact point. But it's not as easy to aim the cueball in such a way that the contact point on the far side of the cb AWAY from you is properly aligned such that when you shoot the cueball it contacts the object ball in the right spot. And for any shot that is NOT straight in that contact point is NOT in the center of the cueball. It is offset from center some distance towards the direction of the cut.
Yes we do a lot of "aiming" in life automatically but we conveniently forgot that at some point in our lives we had to actually learn to do those things. And we know that some people are just naturally better than others when it comes to hand-eye coordination.
Which brings me to this point....if a method could help those who aren't naturals at "seeing" the line then what could it do for those who are naturals? If a rising tide lifts all boats then those folks would have a a great tool to supplement their natural ability if they chose to use it.
I think you misunderstand my description. When I say that a good aiming system puts the body in the position I am describing exactly what happens with any aiming.
The first thing you do when it's your turn is to look at the shot and start moving towards where you think you need to stand to get into the shooting position. Now, you can do this by pure feel, by using the dummy ball (ghost ball), contact point (back of ball), or any other method but one way or the other you will either get your body in the ONLY position possible where you can comfortably stroke the cue down the actual shot line OR you will get down on the wrong line and be just as comfortable.
Now, what I described are methods that pretty much insure that by their very use (properly done) the body will end up in that space every time. There is literally only one line that is correct for the cue to be on and along with it a very small area where the player can stand and be comfortable stroking the cue along that line.
Having one or more of those methods in your toolbox is incredibly valuable even if nothing more than a simple check against your naturally honed instincts.
Method or system are completely interchangeable in the context we use them here.
Or you can put in a better engine and fix aiming across the board and not ever to worry about it again.
Aiming right in the first place gives a TON of confidence.