How many college championships did the other guy not named Landon win exactly ? I know Landon won back to back in 2014 and 2015. Not sure who won in 2016. Thus, it's fair to say Landon is winning the title belts as well
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How many college championships did the other guy not named Landon win exactly ? I know Landon won back to back in 2014 and 2015. Not sure who won in 2016. Thus, it's fair to say Landon is winning the title belts as well
It is confusing to you. Not to me and not to thousands of other players. Plus no one said it had to be simple. There is no universal rule that says any method or system has to be so simple that any dumbass can understand it.
Ever heard the expression that things which are easy to get aren't worth having?
You all knock CTE by saying that there are no magic bullet shortcuts and then knock it because it's not a magic bullet shortcut.
Ghost ball is easy right? If so why are there 50 devices to help with learning it?
You really try hard to go out of your way to knock this method. Not once can you bring yourself to compliment the playing skill of Stan Shuffet and his son and allow them both to give credit for their aiming accuracy to CTE.
Why?
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https://youtu.be/1HYQjoHjwL4?t=1592
THere ya go. Landon lines up the shot like most pros do.
Look at the contact point and hit it.
THere ya go. Landon lines up the shot like most pros do.
Look at the contact point and hit it.
That's funny. More people have quit learning it than keeping at it.
Should we post your words and the other hougans more than a decade ago?
It's so simple. There are only a few shots in pool.
It's your hype and lies that are annoying.
I'll be top 20 after a few years with this system.
My game went up two balls after learning the system.
The system forcers your eyes and body perfectly with the system.
Ghost ball and stroking line are a lot easier than any pivot system.
You don't need 3 dvd's and a book to learn them.
Here ya go.
Max Eberle teaching shooting .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2CCAJta3q8&t=61s
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Just curious, does anyone else ever have a hard time keeping their eyes or eye on the contact point when they move and get down on the shot? Especially shots at 45 degrees and greater? I seem to have a hard time with that. That's also a reason why I find it hard to use a system. I can visualize where to hit the ball and pocket it because my mind has memorized the position from previous times. Someone mentioned in earlier posts that aiming systems look great from above but when your down on the shot everything changes,, with the exception of the fractional ball hits but, other than that it throws me off.
Maybe, but the fact is that he does use CTE. So until we have more people using it regularly and developing their game with CTE as a basis for aiming it will be a situation where there isn't enough data to conclude that CTE does not help tremendously with the path to excellence.
As for Efren etc...Lots of young players were great....Take a kid who has no other responsibilities and give him opportunity and support and he will advance quickly as long as he is interested. I was in Vegas in the 90s when the Junior Nationals were held alongside the BCA expo. Every night during that week the Cue Club was full of kids trying to match up with their fathers pushing them. Anyone can get "good" in that environment.
Landon however was not pushed in that direction. He didn't turn into a pool hall hustler turning "tricks" for adult backers. He spent his training time at home and was coached by his father. Landon accompanied his father to visit Hal and Sunny many times. He has grown up immersed in CTE as a part of his game.
So stepping up to play in a professional tournament at the age of 18 that was 10 ball on a 10ft and drilling world champion Earl Strickland with very few unforced errors is pretty strong.
And I can't find the brackets to see how Landon did in that event but I think he did well. For a player that hasn't had to travel all over the country and get "seasoning" and who has not competed in that many events Landon is a great example of how a person can become a great player CAPABLE of beating world champions in long sets under tough conditions through DEDICATED and STRUCTURED training.
His father and himself both give Hal Houle and CTE a lot of credit for being a great foundation in that training.
Why you want to denigrate and diminish that is beyond understanding. Yes players can become great in many ways that are not structured and supported by a particular system. But as we see there are alternatives to sleeping under the pool table and being pimped out to play money matches every day after school to become great as well.
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Funny thing, that's not how i saw him doing it. Clearly used Pro-One to perfection
In this video at 3:50 is exactly why CTE is light years above what Max is teaching here.
Trial and error vs. objective alignments. Max's way adds tons of time to the process of learning to aim in contrast to CTE or similar methods.
It's not even close.
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Funny but the pivoters insisted there is no ghost ball and contact points are not needed.
You are not supposed to bend over to check the contact point.
They don't matter. The table never moves.
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Sorry bud, that one is light years ahead of any pivot system.
Lee Brett and other snooker instructors pretty much teach the same.
And in fact, that method is fkkn unreal when you really lock the vision and body to go with it. And to take it to another level, you consciously pull the stick to that line. Knowing where the back stroke is makes the stroke even awesome.
Hey, in fact GORDY teaches it. Ooops!
And I bet you have way too much foolish pride and so buried in this argument, that you will never admit, a month on Gordy's template is a lot better than freaking 15 years of trying to make one system work.
Can you trolls go back to your aiming subforum dungeon, please?
I disagree very strongly with that saying. In pool there are tons of things that are very easy to fix, yet people don't.
Go to your local pool hall and look for the following:
1. People whose cues are jacked way up.
2. People who don't stand still
3. People whose cues are in constant motion, without any pauses.
4. People who don't step into the shot.
..the list goes on and on. This guy asked me for pointers and I gave it to him. Two sentences and his game INSTANTLY improved, and he thanked me. I mean, the improvement was not subtle, it was major. One week later the guy was back to his regular nonsense.
I call people like him 5-hangers. They can sometimes run 5 hangers, but that's all they'll ever do. The pool world is full of people like this. They can play for 20 years without improving one iota. Of course they'll happily regale you with tales of how they almost ran 3 racks 10 years ago or how they got lessons from some champion (who probably would instantly commit harakiri if he knew they were saying this).
Do you ever wonder why the tips given by champions are so simplistic? It's because pool is in it's nature a simple game, in which your performance can be easily improved (at least to a point way beyond the "5-hanger" level, yet people are too stupid to realize that they're not doing these simple things. In this day and age where every possible implement has a camera in it, there really is no excuse for this.
"I've been working on staying down", they might say. But it's bullshit. They haven't done squat and any idiot can see it.
Meanwhile Bob the Chump will read and maybe even participate in this thread, and still go back to shoot pool with his stick way up in the air and flail his cue like some kind of Kung Fu swordsman. And he'll still be a 5-hanger when they put the lid on his casket.
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Has zero to do with hate and everything to do with his place in the pool worldMan the haterade is strong in this one.
I don't know what your definition of a great player is but for as little as Landon has competed and with only 150 games in the Fargo Rating system I would say that Landon is in fact pretty close to the top already at the age of 22.
You really go out of your way to be negative. It is quite sad.
Tyler Styer
https://youtu.be/Dmw0DEfW_vM
Listen to the commentary in the video above from those who have undoubtedly had more experience around great players than you have by a large factor.
https://youtu.be/F972jFmTILU
So your say cause someone says he's a great player that means he is ,, you just posted his Fargo and the breakdown ,, is a top regional player a "Great Player " "
when measured by the best players in the world ,, no ,, if the standard of measurement was against you than he's Elite
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Just silly now. He's a great player, that's just a fact. Not a big deal, plenty of great players. You don't win what he's won and not be great. So, he's the best college pool player in the country, back to back wins. But he's OK, not great or anything ??
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I know why champions give simple advice in some situations....It gets them out of the conversation. I have been fortunate through my profession to have had a lot of time with champions and when they open up they often think very deeply about pool and have quite advanced ideas on how to play based on their extensive experience.
Pool seems simple but it's not. It is in fact one of the hardest things to truly master and no one ever truly has. Dedicated players are always learning and improving. There is I think no other sport where you have shoot a ball at another ball to send that ball to a target over and over and over with incredible precision just to squeak out a meager living.
I agree that most people are lazy and don't really want to improve when that improvement requires even a modest amount of time to make a permanent part of their game. But that doesn't change the fact that overall the game is tough to master all the variables. It's fairly easy to from raw beginner to decent league player but then hard to from there to great player and harder still to reach elite status.
I have a free training facility. Anyone can come in during the day and train for free. We have training equipment, templates, books, DVDs, cameras, mirrors, good players there all day to help, etc....And rarely does anyone show up willing to really train. I do, mostly at night for a couple hours working on stuff but I would expect at least a couple people each day in there working on their game.
When I said that nothing worth having is easy to get I didn't really mean it as an absolute. I simply meant to say that just because something isn't "simple to understand" doesn't mean it has no value.
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What's his place in the pool world? How many players in the United States are above 700?. How many people in the world?
I posted information from Mike Page that clearly shows 700+ is top 50 on the Euro Tour.
I bet Landon is in the top 50 players in the United States.
He might be in top 100 on the planet but probably in the top 200 for sure out of the Fargo Rated players. I am fairly sure that Fargo has most known pros rated since game data is easier to get on them.
So that said, Landon at 22 years old with 151 games in the system is pretty damn great when people with thousands of games in are about 50 points higher and the super elite are 100 points higher.
My criteria of what a great player is certainly different than yours and certainly closer to what the crowd thinks than yours. I would bet I could rattle off some names of players whose Fargo Ratings are lower but whom most folks consider to be great players.
And no matter how you look at it when you can beat a world champion when you were 18 in a dominating manner in a long set you're a great player period.
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Yeah that was not CTE. I know what I said and it was true then and is true now. Even now when I get someone in the shop who wants to learn CTE they tend to pick it pretty quickly.
Again why are you going out of your way to be a knocker?
I said that AFTER spending an afternoon with Hal Houle. I took what he showed me, the one system that I retained, and I showed it to all of my friends and most of them were amazed. I was excited about actually learning something new that filled me with desire to want to go to the table and play more and explore it and get better at it.
As a pool player I was overjoyed to be given something that truly made a difference in my game. Something tangible and concrete and OBJECTIVE. And I tested it against other people in my circle of friends to see if it would work for them and it did.
That you don't want people to feel this type of exuberance and excitement about playing pool is something I can't understand. And even now, 14 years later I still feel excited to play pool because of being given the gift of objective aiming. Every time I make a tough clutch shot, every time I make a shot from some sick angle, and every time I run out in a picture perfect cosmo pattern having used an objective aiming system to line me up on each stop shot I get that dopamine hit and think of how lucky I was that Hal took the time to teach me how to aim objectively.
Just because you can't understand CTE doesn't mean other people can't. It's pretty simple for those who put forth a little effort and have an open mind.
YAWN - CTE is a way to aim. Aiming comes first, then execution. My execution was HORRIBLE. My stroke was pretty much like a donkey on crack on ice skates.
Lou wants NO PART of a player who uses CTE AND has a straight stroke.
I would bet $10,000 on Stan or Landon Shuffett to play Lou ANY game. Even Lou's beloved 14.1. Either of them would drill him.
I would have drilled Lou if I had had my head on straight. Almost every game that Lou won was because I sold out with silly stupid unforced errors.
Don't confuse the AIMING SYSTEM with the total game. The best tool in the world is useless if the wielder is spastic when using it. But a person who has mastered a good aiming system AND who has developed a great stroke is someone who is hard to beat.
As Earl Strickland found out when 18 year old Landon Shuffett shot his nuts off.