Learn with an aiming system or not
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He's good.
Saw that one too. Duckie is emailing him right now to tell him there is no half-ball hit.
I don't know how they can aim those fractions on long shots.
Gonna be really hard.
One thing for certain, Folks never expect you to do the honorable thing.
And EVERYONE knew exactly what you would do.
Buy it. Give it a bad review. And ***** to get get your money back.
You are so predictable
Here is my opinion...(for what it is worth)
First ask yourself...what exactly is an "aiming system"....I compare an aiming system to what a carpenter would call a measuring tape, ruler, protractor, etc.....These are all "tools" that the carpenter uses to get a "feel" of where to make the final cut in a piece of wood, drill a hole in a board or wall... etc. etc....That is really all an aiming system is......As a pool player you "will" use some method of aiming to get a feel of where to hit the object ball, make a bank or kick etc. etc....There are many tools available to aiming....the tool you use is up to you....Me personally....For many many shots the only tool I found I need to pocket a ball is to sight the channel lines....(what path do I need to shoot the CB down in order to make the OB travel down a chosen path)
That being said....I have studied many many of them, and there is some benefit to knowing them and I won't lie it can come in handy....For instance the sharp almost un-makable cut when OB is frozen to the rail....I know that if I aim with a parallel cue 1/4 CB to the edge of the OB....The shot is pretty much a hanger on a barbox and not far from hanger on a 9'....The reaction you get from surrounding people is "how the hell did he just make that shot".....bottom line....an aiming system gave me a solid feel for making the shot.
But your basic fairly straight in shot or standard angle cut shot I can just visualize the channel lines and make those shots....but that is still an aiming system as basic as it is that gives me the "feel" for making the shot.
Basically "aiming" is like religion....It is best to know about all of them....and then pick the one that you believe in best....There are even some "aiming atheists" out there that think there is no such thing as a aiming system.
The bigger....much more important things to work on are your "natural" mechanics....what do I mean by "natural"?.....With any Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment...you can "force" the cue back and through in a straight line....Do it 1000 times and you will get it down pretty good and repeatable.....However....Under pressure your body will revert to it's "natural" movement and the cue will go offline....If you are seemingly "missing" those "key" shots under pressure....likely something is "off" in your grip,stance,posture or alignment.
The trick is to adjust those static pieces....Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment....The only things you really can control....(I call them the non moving or "static" parts) the control where the cue will go back and through straight naturally
Watch any top player ....He is not thinking about where his cue is going back and through....It goes back and through straight naturally based on his Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment....
If I want to dial in my game I don't pocket balls at all....I use only the cue ball on the head spot and send it up table to return to the head spot....If I am putting unwanted side spin on the CB I don't adjust my stroke....I adjust my Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment until the CB is "naturally" being struck straight and true....To dial it in even further....Do the same thing hitting draw on the CB.....If you can hit draw on the CB and have it come back to the spot straight...You will be really dialed in on your stroke....But it is all based on "set up" and now it is going to happen "naturally"
The more my set up is dialed in....pocketing balls becomes VERY simple....The next step is dialing in a "routine" that puts you in that correct set up every time....That is harder than it sounds for the weekend warrior pool player....any slight change to the set up is a slight change to the "natural" stroke.....However....Knowing that all you need to do is "adjust" your set up can get you right back in stroke.
Just like golf....You have a "natural" swing....but it changes from day to day....You have to adjust your set up to fit your natural swing for that day.....Pool is the same way....your natural stroke my change from day to day depending on how much you play....You have to adjust your set up to fit your natural stroke.
I think many many players try to make their stroke fit their natural set up and IMO that is a recipe for mediocrity......JMO
Good post that some should re-read.
Stan, I've defended you for a long time. So what if I disagree with folks on a no refund policy, you're not the only person/business to have that. Lou and I are not "buddies", but if he makes a point I agree with, I can't discount it. Lou and I have disagreed over time, no biggie. Heck, JB and I are completely on different paths politically speaking but I still bought a JB case
Hence, why I said if true, I don't like it, but who cares what I like. Heck, I just bought a $1500 mattress that had a 30 day guarantee if not 100% satisfied. But it was terrific, and I kept it.
I respect you a great deal, and I enjoyed our weekend lesson greatly, but it does not mean i'm going to agree with everything you do, or say no matter what. Again, I never even said it was bad policy, just not my cup of tea.
And I doubt there is much difference in the price you pay for a DVD that I pay for a box of chalk, I bet they are pretty similar in actual price we both pay. I never thought I'd be running at 99.9% satisfaction rate. I started that as a way to get folks to try magic chalk, and figured any "refunds" would just be my marketing budget. It went much better then planned, or predicted, but some times even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile
Thus, I don't think any less of you because of your return policy, just not something I like for me or my products/services. Again, if you think it's working and the amount of negative feedback outweighs the positive, then no worries, you're ahead of the game.
But I don't have to agree with it. I guess I could have said nothing, but it was brought up by someone else to me and I addressed it honestly, but fairly imho.
And the free advertising here on AZB can't be "bad" for you. Heck, it was one of the reasons I signed up for a weekend lesson with you, including the 8 hour drive
We all can try and play better, but I also wanted to be a better instructor, and the only way to do that is see what other great instructors do. I've trained with over a dozen pro players, and pro instructors now, and I use a little from each of them now. And some stuff they do, I do NOT do, because it was not my cup of tea. Mark Wilson is on my list next, hope to do that in the next couple of months.
Best of rolls,
RJ
PS: Just because folks don't always agree on things, Stan is still one of the best, if not the best, instructors in the country
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RJ comparing a dvd that you can make a copy of very easy to a box of chalk that cant be copied is two very different scenariosStan, I've defended you for a long time. So what if I disagree with folks on a no refund policy, you're not the only person/business to have that. Lou and I are not "buddies", but if he makes a point I agree with, I can't discount it. Lou and I have disagreed over time, no biggie. Heck, JB and I are completely on different paths politically speaking but I still bought a JB case
Hence, why I said if true, I don't like it, but who cares what I like. Heck, I just bought a $1500 mattress that had a 30 day guarantee if not 100% satisfied. But it was terrific, and I kept it.
I respect you a great deal, and I enjoyed our weekend lesson greatly, but it does not mean i'm going to agree with everything you do, or say no matter what. Again, I never even said it was bad policy, just not my cup of tea.
And I doubt there is much difference in the price you pay for a DVD that I pay for a box of chalk, I bet they are pretty similar in actual price we both pay. I never thought I'd be running at 99.9% satisfaction rate. I started that as a way to get folks to try magic chalk, and figured any "refunds" would just be my marketing budget. It went much better then planned, or predicted, but some times even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile
Thus, I don't think any less of you because of your return policy, just not something I like for me or my products/services. Again, if you think it's working and the amount of negative feedback outweighs the positive, then no worries, you're ahead of the game.
But I don't have to agree with it. I guess I could have said nothing, but it was brought up by someone else to me and I addressed it honestly, but fairly imho.
And the free advertising here on AZB can't be "bad" for you. Heck, it was one of the reasons I signed up for a weekend lesson with you, including the 8 hour drive
We all can try and play better, but I also wanted to be a better instructor, and the only way to do that is see what other great instructors do. I've trained with over a dozen pro players, and pro instructors now, and I use a little from each of them now. And some stuff they do, I do NOT do, because it was not my cup of tea. Mark Wilson is on my list next, hope to do that in the next couple of months.
Best of rolls,
RJ
I think they make DVD's that can't be copied now, no ?? If not, they should.
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Many ways the copy protection can be circumvented, unfortunately.
GoldenFlash
Banned
A prophet is seldom recognized in his homeland.
Your discoveries are welcomed and needed by thousands out in the real world of pool playing.
Remember this: All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788)
Regards,
Flash
Stan, you've seen me post something similar to this many times: Puh-leeze ignore the simple minded pool players who constantly belittle your accomplishments. Do not let them affect your work.
Your discoveries are welcomed and needed by thousands out in the real world of pool playing.
Remember this: All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788)
Regards,
Flash
I was present when Stevie was showing Rodney CTE. SVB uses the shaft method which is similar to CTE, Rodney uses ghost ball, and Stevie Moore uses CTE. It would be interesting to see a list of pro players and what aiming methods/guide they use.
I percieve Stan to be an honorable gentleman..He as simply convinced, that his method of teaching (CTE, Pro 1) can replace things like HAMB, or contstantly being in tough action!..I maintain, it is a distant second!.....He does give you what you pay for, so its your decision!....As with anything else thats for sale, it is buyer beware!..So I have no problem with his 'no refund' policy!
PS..If I were him though, I would be hoping for a better class of pool players, to be touting the virtues of his honest efforts! ..Barton, Chi.RJ, and the Golden Flush, are not exactly a better class of player! :embarrassed2:
Without question bud I think hitting balls under pressure is the most important thing. I know some great champions who play all day by themselves in their basement and then under heat they crumble playing way under their practice speed. I am sure you have seen it countless times how a great player who was solid for funsies folded up when they bet something.
GoldenFlash
Banned
As for me, I keep hoping for a better class of drunkards. :embarrassed2:
But, alas, how easily things go wrong.
GoldenFlash
Banned
To Stan Shuffett...NEVER GIVE UP OR QUIT.
A few words of encouragement to you, Stan Shuffett.
Whenever a pioneer with vision attempts to bring about change, it plays on the insecurities of those who have been accustomed to the way things are and have always been. In this way, a vision is often seen as a threat. What the pioneer is convinced "should or could be" will be perceived by others to be the very thing that should not or could not be.
To make matters worse, the critics seem to be armed with the facts(?). Often they have history and experience on their side. They hold the vision up to the harsh light of twisted ridicule...it competes with what has "always been".
A vision is about the future, not the past. A vision has no history...and yet history and experience are what give birth to a vision in the first place. It is past experience that makes the visionary discontented with the way things are. It is from this that a vision of what could be..takes shape.
It is unfortunate that the fertile soil of history and experience is the very soil often used to bury a vision. The birthplace of a vision can become its burial ground as well.
Don't allow the closed minds to bury you.
GoldenFlash - 2017
A few words of encouragement to you, Stan Shuffett.
Whenever a pioneer with vision attempts to bring about change, it plays on the insecurities of those who have been accustomed to the way things are and have always been. In this way, a vision is often seen as a threat. What the pioneer is convinced "should or could be" will be perceived by others to be the very thing that should not or could not be.
To make matters worse, the critics seem to be armed with the facts(?). Often they have history and experience on their side. They hold the vision up to the harsh light of twisted ridicule...it competes with what has "always been".
A vision is about the future, not the past. A vision has no history...and yet history and experience are what give birth to a vision in the first place. It is past experience that makes the visionary discontented with the way things are. It is from this that a vision of what could be..takes shape.
It is unfortunate that the fertile soil of history and experience is the very soil often used to bury a vision. The birthplace of a vision can become its burial ground as well.
Don't allow the closed minds to bury you.
GoldenFlash - 2017
I percieve Stan to be an honorable gentleman..He as simply convinced, that his method of teaching (CTE, Pro 1) can replace things like HAMB, or contstantly being in tough action!..I maintain, it is a distant second!.....He does give you what you pay for, so its your decision!....As with anything else thats for sale, it is buyer beware!..So I have no problem with his 'no refund' policy!
PS..If I were him though, I would be hoping for a better class of pool players, to be touting the virtues of his honest efforts! ..Barton, Chi.RJ, and the Golden Flush, are not exactly a better class of player! :embarrassed2:
I thoroughly understand that it requires eating, breathing and sleeping pool to become a player. I have experienced that and I have enough accomplishments to my credit to know it can't happen any other way. I also know that my achievements were attained with a severely flawed knowledge of how to see spheres on a table for the purpose of alignment. I am talking about how to REALLY align.
If I had in years past known what I know now I would have been a much much stronger player. My eating, breathing and sleeping the game would have served my passion even better.
Hal Houle learned something very special many decades back. I set out to uncover it and I have done so. For those that are receptive their journey will be much smoother.
Stan Shuffett
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Without question bud I think hitting balls under pressure is the most important thing. I know some great champions who play all day by themselves in their basement and then under heat they crumble playing way under their practice speed. I am sure you have seen it countless times how a great player who was solid for funsies folded up when they bet something.
Of course, pressure makes diamonds. But none of it negates the fact that a player can choose which tools he wants in his tool box. Take a player who can fade the heart and give him some solid tools and he is real hard to beat.
All things being equal two players with equally great strokes, who are equally able to handle pressure, the one who plays with more precision should generally prevail in the long run.
Give up and quit are words that are not applicable to me. My real work is over and has been for many months.
The only task for me that remains at this time is the completion of my book and nothing short of death will prevent that from happening.
I appreciate your words of encouragement, though, as there are some that relish in taking their shots at me and more specifically, at my work. It does hurt some but I must say that it's the hurt and the stings that have fueled me to completely unravel a special system that has existed for decades but minus the real details for its implementation. I dedicated about 10 years of my life in figuring it all out and it's all been worth it in spite of all the hits that I have taken. Not even close.
Stan Shuffett
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Go to Target. Buy a DVD. Open it, and then bring it back and ask for a refund.
Let's see how honorable they'll be with your request.