WinniePooh
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Pool is dead or is slowing dying. Why is this?
Pool is dead or is slowing dying. Why is this?
- Thread starter WinniePooh
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Many reasons, some complex, some simple...
Economics, LifeStyle and cultural "evolution".
It may be little consolation, but Pool is raging like a runaway wildfire
compared to what it was the day before the release of "The Hustler"
Dale
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The negativity is in the mind of the person who came up with four negative answers in a very pathetic poll.
No chance in that poll to end up with a positive outcome.
Pool is awesome and it will always be that way.
No chance in that poll to end up with a positive outcome.
Pool is awesome and it will always be that way.
Lots of Reasons
There are lots of reasons to list but the main reason is economic.
If you put a pool room in you have to take in consideration the cost of the floor space,
the tables, the heat and air and employees.
I did a study on this using $3 per square foot which is a fraction of the cost of commercial space using sort of a warehouse space model and it couldnt support itself then in my final opinion.
Most of its woes are economic. People aren't walking around with extra money that want to waste it on pool. The gaming aspect has moved to other games and the amount that you have to charge per hour to pay for all of the above is way too high to make it worth it.
Even in an atmosphere where liquor is served the Pool is a drag on the rest of the business.
People that want to be in the Pool Business are going to be catering to a local crowd of league players and in my area spend little money and they really don't practice. It's not a pretty sight.
There are lots of reasons to list but the main reason is economic.
If you put a pool room in you have to take in consideration the cost of the floor space,
the tables, the heat and air and employees.
I did a study on this using $3 per square foot which is a fraction of the cost of commercial space using sort of a warehouse space model and it couldnt support itself then in my final opinion.
Most of its woes are economic. People aren't walking around with extra money that want to waste it on pool. The gaming aspect has moved to other games and the amount that you have to charge per hour to pay for all of the above is way too high to make it worth it.
Even in an atmosphere where liquor is served the Pool is a drag on the rest of the business.
People that want to be in the Pool Business are going to be catering to a local crowd of league players and in my area spend little money and they really don't practice. It's not a pretty sight.
Not sure I think it's "dying" - but one reason it's not a bigger activity is that too many kids have their noses buried in cell phones and video games. But the what I did "vote" for is not enough money. There's not ONE organization that's become the "authoritah". The closest thing there is to a LARGE scale operation is the APA - and that's for armatures. Sure there's BCA, TAP, and a few others - but until they organize into one large scale organization with a single set of rules, an organized schedule, upscale promotions, etc., - it's going to be a very fractured activity.
Just IMHO
Just IMHO
it only seems like its dying in america, with the american pool player culture being so toxic and abrasive
the rest of the world is doing fine with it and other billiard games
the rest of the world is doing fine with it and other billiard games
I also disagree with the claim.
No vote.
No vote.
asiasdad
Banned
Nit pool players.
I would say pro pool is dying. Pool (especially 8b) will always be popular and there will always be people playing for fun/recreation but pool is yet to be a sport or big business. Pool will be like jogging- people do it for recreation but they still have a day job. Pool is probably one of the few games that has more players than viewers/spectators.
-Oversupply of pro pool players chasing peanuts money. Snooker tourneys have top 32 players with qualification stage. Pool with peanuts prize money commonly have 128 players
-No pro tour to separate the pros from amateurs/dead money
-no money in pro pool. In most countries, can make more money flipping burger or playing video games
-too little promotion of the game to non-players/viewers/spectators where the money is. There is already oversupply of players but yet there is still a lot of focus on players. In most major sports like soccer, tennis etc, a miniscule % actually play the sport.
As long as the mindset does not change that pool can be mass entertainment, pool will remain small
-too many 1 to 1 matches/ events instead of tournaments who can attract bigger audience. In gambling 1 to 1 matches, one player wins and takes money from other player. There is no synergy as it is not win win and the economic pie does not grow.
-no mainstream sponsors = no TV/cable audience= peanuts. Niche pool sponsors (like makers of cues, chalk, tables ) can only target small market of players so they pay peanuts
etc
etc
etc
-Oversupply of pro pool players chasing peanuts money. Snooker tourneys have top 32 players with qualification stage. Pool with peanuts prize money commonly have 128 players
-No pro tour to separate the pros from amateurs/dead money
-no money in pro pool. In most countries, can make more money flipping burger or playing video games
-too little promotion of the game to non-players/viewers/spectators where the money is. There is already oversupply of players but yet there is still a lot of focus on players. In most major sports like soccer, tennis etc, a miniscule % actually play the sport.
As long as the mindset does not change that pool can be mass entertainment, pool will remain small
-too many 1 to 1 matches/ events instead of tournaments who can attract bigger audience. In gambling 1 to 1 matches, one player wins and takes money from other player. There is no synergy as it is not win win and the economic pie does not grow.
-no mainstream sponsors = no TV/cable audience= peanuts. Niche pool sponsors (like makers of cues, chalk, tables ) can only target small market of players so they pay peanuts
etc
etc
etc
Not Enough Money to attract players.
In my area, a new poolhall (The Spot) opened up this year. Another, in Staten Island was announced on facebook to be in the works. In the last ten years, league pool has spread. A couple of locals founded their own franchise leagues, and many poolhalls started holding their own in-house leagues. There is at least two poolhalls offering 14.1 league, in addition to regular 8-ball, 9-ball, and scotch doubles.
Very Few Tournaments in the Area
There is at least 3 tours in the area, Tony Robles Predator, The Tri-State and Mezz. When Ginky died, Tony Robles got together with tour organizers Jose Burgo and John Leyman of Mezz and organized the Ginky Memorial. It's been attracting over 200 amateurs and professionals annually in a tournament that didn't exist a decade ago.
Competition is getting too high.
I agree, players that were C/C+s have improved to B/B+ and even A level. Even D level leagues (Team 8-ball), you'll now commonly find players who will play safety battles and run out with BIH.
Pool reputation is damaged.
The Pros don't seem to be avoiding Facebook, and discussion there seems to be thriving. I find that forum to have fewer trolls and less negative than here.
In my area, a new poolhall (The Spot) opened up this year. Another, in Staten Island was announced on facebook to be in the works. In the last ten years, league pool has spread. A couple of locals founded their own franchise leagues, and many poolhalls started holding their own in-house leagues. There is at least two poolhalls offering 14.1 league, in addition to regular 8-ball, 9-ball, and scotch doubles.
Very Few Tournaments in the Area
There is at least 3 tours in the area, Tony Robles Predator, The Tri-State and Mezz. When Ginky died, Tony Robles got together with tour organizers Jose Burgo and John Leyman of Mezz and organized the Ginky Memorial. It's been attracting over 200 amateurs and professionals annually in a tournament that didn't exist a decade ago.
Competition is getting too high.
I agree, players that were C/C+s have improved to B/B+ and even A level. Even D level leagues (Team 8-ball), you'll now commonly find players who will play safety battles and run out with BIH.
Pool reputation is damaged.
The Pros don't seem to be avoiding Facebook, and discussion there seems to be thriving. I find that forum to have fewer trolls and less negative than here.
I've played all my life and in adult poolrooms for over 40 years and I honestly don't see much difference. Players come and go, amateur and average pros alike. There never has been much of a pro tour anyway. The biggest difference I see is that in the last 20 years or so the road player angle has severely faded away, because of this internet thing.
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Sorry, but pool is not dead or dying. It is alive and well.
It has been steady for a long time. APA and TAP leagues have been doing good for a long time and so have other leagues.
People just need to play.
Join your local pool league.....
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Sorry, but pool is not dead or dying. It is alive and well.
It has been steady for a long time. APA and TAP leagues have been doing good for a long time and so have other leagues.
People just need to play.
Join your local pool league.....
:smile:
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