Dress Code for Gold Crown Billiards, Erie, PA

Lol I don't want to see anyone the Men's tour dressed up like an MMA fighter either lol. I don't think that's the reason for no money in pool though. The reason why Mosconi is successful is because it's a country vs continent, it's prestigious, live tv, etc. it's promoted how it should be they do a good job. Derby City you wouldn't know if the finals were even going on & there is a dress code there. i don't want to sound like I'm saying this just because I'm a pro but there needs to be a good Men's tour for pool to have a chance. Any other sport would die without it. The NBA, PGA, MLB, all those games would kill the game if they weren't on tv and the players didn't make millions. People would still play obviously but I always here people say screw the pros they don't care about league players & I think that's wrong IMO


Not saying it's the reason -- saying it's a contributing factor.

Let's suppose the DCC was conducted in vests and bowties. Maybe (just on the sheer oddity of it), it would look like some sort of professional event. T-shirts, shorts, and flip-flops... that ain't happenin'. I know the DCC is prestigious to *us* but it isn't to anyone outside the sport, to include potential sponsors -- dressing it up would be one way to show the prestige of the event to the rest of the world. (I know I'm dreaming.)

You want to be on TV, making more money on a pro tour, at pro events (entice potential sponsors)... dressing like "a pro" is a start, IMO.

Lou Figueroa
 
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I didn't miss the point at all.

Different sports have different attire, based on what the athlete is required to do. Saying "basketball is successful, we should play pool in tank tops" is a very pool promoter thing to do. That's not what I'm saying at all... I'm saying the attire in poker, golf etc has not limited their success. Poker is very successful, they dress like your average person in a pool room, they're obviously gambling... why aren't sponsors running as fast as they can from it? Oh yea.. because sponsors don't care. Seriously people in pool have missed the mark over and over and over again on how to appeal to the masses but those people are so far out of touch they don't get it.

Cool, snooker is successful overseas. How's it doing here? Exactly.

It's almost as if I work in television/marketing and know a thing or two... hmmm....


duh.

You make my point -- different sports do have different attires. And right now THE pool uniform across the country is: baseball cap (check); t-shirt (possibly with something obscene printed on it), check; baggy shorts, check; flip-flops, check (sneakers for winter ). Who would want to sell that audience a Cadillac or Rolex, such as in golf or tennis? We, collectively, should aspire to something better. To put our best foot forward. To show we aren't just a bunch of smucks in baseball caps, T-shirts, shorts, and flip-flops.

And BTW, "working in TV" does not mean much nor discount an opposing, intelligent position. I have a sister who "works in TV."

Lou Figueroa
and movies too
 
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duh.

You make my point -- different sports do have different attires. And right now THE pool uniform across the country is: baseball cap (check); t-shirt (possibly with something obscene printed on it, check; baggy shorts, check; flip flops, check (sneakers for winter ). Who would want to sell that audience a Cadillac or Rolex, such as in golf or tennis? We, collectively, should aspire to something better. To put our best foot forward. To show we aren't just a bunch of smucks in baseball caps, T-shirts, shorts, and flip-flops.

And BTW, "working in TV" does not mean much nor discount an opposing, intelligent position. I have a sister who "works in TV."

Lou Figueroa
and movies too


You're so incredibly out of touch Lou. I work in big boy tv. It does mean much.
 
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Maybe pool is not very interesting to the average joe, no matter what they dress like. I honestly find all the pool apparel companies with all the cheesy phrases to be way dorkier then shorts, hats, and flip flops.

However this is coming from someone who wears a backwards baseball hat most days, so my opinion probably does not count.
 
Maybe pool is not very interesting to the average joe, no matter what they dress like. I honestly find all the pool apparel companies with all the cheesy phrases to be way dorkier then shorts, hats, and flip flops.

However this is coming from someone who wears a backwards baseball hat most days, so my opinion probably does not count.
You mean to tell me that size XXL "HUSTLIN USA" or "ROCK OUT WITH YOUR CHALK OUT" shirts are not cool? :eek: Who knew?
 
I honestly find all the pool apparel companies with all the cheesy phrases to be way dorkier then shorts, hats, and flip flops.

Especially the ones that say.....
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I honestly find all the pool apparel companies with all the cheesy phrases to be way dorkier then shorts, hats, and flip flops.

These shirts are more stylish.
I have both and I get a lot of positive comments.
 

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Was it "respectable" for interracial marriage to be illegal? Or for women to be forced into teaching or secretarial work regardless of their qualifications?

Despite the widespread, misplaced nostalgia for Mayberry 1950 we have made drastic improvements in moral values since then.

You have fallen prey to what may be the most common logical fallacy and argument around. Find an exception to something, and then try to claim all of it is was like the exception.

In the 50's you had lots of good people who got a few things wrong. Today you have lots of sh!tty people who get a few things right. The difference between the morals and integrity and quality of people of the 50's verses those of today is night and day. Not even in the same universe.
 
Word! My Brother!


You have fallen prey to what may be the most common logical fallacy and argument around.
Find an exception to something, and then try to claim all of it is was like the exception.

In the 50's you had lots of good people who got a few things wrong.
Today you have lots of sh!tty people who get a few things right.
The difference between the morals and integrity and quality of people of the 50's verses those of today is night and day.
Not even in the same universe.
 
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Eventually, you'd think the odds of being wrong every time would be impossible. Well Lou, you're proving the world wrong by yet again being so incredibly wrong. lol every attempt that's been made to clean this game up has pushed it further from success.

That's a disingenuous argument (because you know it is wrong and don't even believe it yourself). The only half moderate success pool ever had in history in America was when all the players were wearing suits. From then until now the popularity of the sport has only gotten worse. The further we have gotten from the prim and proper suit days, the less popular pool has become. Now I'm not saying that pool needs to go back to suits to be successful, because it probably doesn't. But your argument that trying to clean up the sport has actually hurt it is not only wrong but is actually exactly backwards from what all the facts and reality say that everyone can see with their own eyes. We certainly don't have to like it, but that doesn't change what is true.

And the difference between poker and all the other sports you post pictures of, and pool, is that none of them, before they got popular, had the perception from the public as a sport filled largely with criminals and people of the lowest morals and poor character. We all know that once a sport is already popular that people will put up with lots of things, but they are never going to accept it from a fledgling fringe sport with seemingly little to offer. They are never going to get behind the all the "low lifes and bums" to make it popular in the first place simply because they are all "low lifes and bums". You are going to have to change their perception, and you can't do that by looking like their perception (or acting like it).

For the record I don't think pool will ever have mainstream success in America for a number of reasons which are for another thread, and that includes even if we all started looking and acting like great people or professionals or dressed in suits or anything else, but make no mistake that how we look and act has certainly played its part in the lack of popularity of our sport.
 
Maybe pool is not very interesting to the average joe, no matter what they dress like. I honestly find all the pool apparel companies with all the cheesy phrases to be way dorkier then shorts, hats, and flip flops.

However this is coming from someone who wears a backwards baseball hat most days, so my opinion probably does not count.

You and me both buddy.
 
That's a disingenuous argument (because you know it is wrong and don't even believe it yourself). The only half moderate success pool ever had in history in America was when all the players were wearing suits. From then until now the popularity of the sport has only gotten worse. The further we have gotten from the prim and proper suit days, the less popular pool has become. Now I'm not saying that pool needs to go back to suits to be successful, because it probably doesn't. But your argument that trying to clean up the sport has actually hurt it is not only wrong but is actually exactly backwards from what all the facts and reality say that everyone can see with their own eyes. We certainly don't have to like it, but that doesn't change what is true.

And the difference between poker and all the other sports you post pictures of, and pool, is that none of them, before they got popular, had the perception from the public as a sport filled largely with criminals and people of the lowest morals and poor character. We all know that once a sport is already popular that people will put up with lots of things, but they are never going to accept it from a fledgling fringe sport with seemingly little to offer. They are never going to get behind the all the "low lifes and bums" to make it popular in the first place simply because they are all "low lifes and bums". You are going to have to change their perception, and you can't do that by looking like their perception (or acting like it).

For the record I don't think pool will ever have mainstream success in America for a number of reasons which are for another thread, and that includes even if we all started looking and acting like great people or professionals or dressed in suits or anything else, but make no mistake that how we look and act has certainly played its part in the lack of popularity of our sport.

Absolutely false. Your point about pools success from the days when everyone wore a suit to go buy milk is just invalid. That's how every dressed in those days. Everyone's push to move away from gambling and dress codes has landed pool in an impossible to market state. The only success this game has ever seen has been from movies about gambling. Watching a couple guys dressed like butlers moving super slow in silence isn't appealing to many people. So embrace the only thing that's ever worked... you don't need to change their perception, that only hurts us more.
 
That's a disingenuous argument (because you know it is wrong and don't even believe it yourself). The only half moderate success pool ever had in history in America was when all the players were wearing suits. From then until now the popularity of the sport has only gotten worse. The further we have gotten from the prim and proper suit days, the less popular pool has become. Now I'm not saying that pool needs to go back to suits to be successful, because it probably doesn't. But your argument that trying to clean up the sport has actually hurt it is not only wrong but is actually exactly backwards from what all the facts and reality say that everyone can see with their own eyes. We certainly don't have to like it, but that doesn't change what is true.
And the difference between poker and all the other sports you post pictures of, and pool, is that none of them, before they got popular, had the perception from the public as a sport filled largely with criminals and people of the lowest morals and poor character. We all know that once a sport is already popular that people will put up with lots of things, but they are never going to accept it from a fledgling fringe sport with seemingly little to offer. They are never going to get behind the all the "low lifes and bums" to make it popular in the first place simply because they are all "low lifes and bums". You are going to have to change their perception, and you can't do that by looking like their perception (or acting like it).
For the record I don't think pool will ever have mainstream success in America for a number of reasons which are for another thread, and that includes even if we all started looking and acting like great people or professionals or dressed in suits or anything else, but make no mistake that how we look and act has certainly played its part in the lack of popularity of our sport.
BINGO! You are right on the money.
In that old movie The Hustler, after Paul Newman slaps Piper Laurie, she says it all................."You bum, you pool room bum".
One of the the last things I want my kids to become is some type of "pool room bum".
(even in that movie, the players and loafers by and large were dressed sharply. That all changed in Color of Money. Grady Mathews comments in his book how he begged the producers to not show the seedy side of the game in that latter film)
 
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