Tony Vs Dennis Chit Chat Thread

GreenFeltguy said:
Obviously the table played weird and gave both players fits trying to figure it out. Tony's years of experience helped him out and his courageous shot on the 14 ball caroming off the ball was sensational but extremely risky, but Tony made it and won the match the following game when the score was 38-38. People being critical of either or both are
totally out of line, tremendous pressure for both champions !!!!!!
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Personally, I saw nothing weird about how the table played.

Lou Figueroa
 
Big Perm said:
Jay, I was lucky enough to see a decent portion of days 2-4 - thanks for your contribution to the event. Also, hats off to Daniel/POV pool, appreciate what he does for the sport - loving his streams. Started playing pool again a couple of months ago, been watching some of his footage from the last couple of years.....love the Efren 1pocket matches - even found a match of you and a guy from NC, I think. Good to see you mixing it up. Also re-read your original book the other day (avatar seems to support you having a something new, very cool)

The match between Tony and Dennis was amazing, those guys made it exciting and fun to watch. Sometime pool can be like watching paint dry - these guys were just the opposite. They were brave, aggressive, impressive.....add whatever superlatives you want, it was pool greatness.
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How the hell did you remember your password?
I recall your posts from years ago....you came back at a good time...great match.
 
jay helfert said:
My overall evaluation of the match is that Dennis was not well prepared to play on this particular table and remained somewhat uncomfortable on it for the first two and half days, gradually getting the feel of it a little bit at a time. He was still behind by 5-6 games on day three when he seemed to find his stroke and his game. That's when I first saw him get loose and start to play his A game. He quickly closed the gap and ended the day only one game behind.

For all the world it looked like Tony was ripe to be had on day four. Many were saying that Tony would fold under the pressure. I didn't think that would be the case and I said so to several people, saying I didn't think Tony's game would go down and Dennis had to continue with his best pool, and he did! What was unexpected was that Tony would raise his game even higher, finding and shooting several remarkable shots that turned games around. Dennis helped him out by failing to run balls when he had the chance. Normally we would expect to see Dennis run seven or eight and out with an open table and this was not the case. He was running three, four and five and getting stuck. Even getting six balls ahead was no guarantee of a win. Tony would bank a ball off the end rail and tie the game up or go ahead in a blink of an eye.

In the end it was Tony's high caliber offense that took the day, Dennis waving the white flag and offering his hand. Dennis was a gracious loser and quietly packed his equipment while Tony basked in his victory. To their credit both men acted like true sportsmen throughout the four days. There was no whining or complaining, or even any talking while the other man was at the table. They were quiet (VERY QUIET) and serious, both intent on doing the best they possibly could. It was beautiful pool between two greats of the game.

I appreciate those who reached out to me and thanked me for my commentary. For those who would attempt to belittle me, I defy any of you to pick out on a television monitor the insane shots Tony found in the pack. It was Efrenesque the way he fooled everyone in the room, commentators included. I was literally stunned by some of the shots he pulled off. Also his ability to kick open balls toward his hole was mesmerizing as well. The way Tony banked with utter confidence and pocketed long difficult shots with ease left me in awe of his ability. Yet in spite of all Tony's numerous skills, Dennis found a way to battle him neck and neck to the end. If ever there was a match that calls for a rematch, this would be it. :thumbup2:
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For $50k how are you not ready?

Utter nonsense.

Lou Figueroa
 
Black-Balled said:
Yeah, that's great, but what does lou think?

Haha.

You touched on something that I also noticed: a lot of 2-3 and then 4-6 score games. Dennis runs a lot more balls per inning, normally, than he did vs. tony.

An afternoon of him putting 8s 10s on tony might have changed the following days.

That said, tony stuck to his game plan and didn't miss but 1 open shot (that I saw) on the last day. Then he stepped up and took-TOOK- the win.

Incredible show, shame they couldn't both win.
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Lou thinks Jay is full of ca-ca.

Lou Figueroa
still a great
great match
 
BTW, for all who say DO is not deploying questionable gamesmanship: late in the match, perhaps during one of the last couple of games, Dennis scratched and had to spot a second ball on the spot. He spotted it *way* off line so it would negate any of the normal shots you'd shot in the two balls on the spot. situation. Fortunately, Tony saw it and correctly spotted the second ball.

Lou Figueroa
 
westcoast said:
What was the size of the pockets for that table?

It seems that Dennis plays a bit better on gold crowns.

Having said that, tony came up huge in those last two games. I can hardly believe he shot that carom/combo. Very risky shot
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I thought they said they were tighter than pro cut.

Regarding the carom - that was the shot Dennis forced him to play, and it was the right shot. He was a HUGE underdog to win that game, and that shot gave him a chance to win the game. Anything else and he would be relying on a huge mistake from Dennis in order to have a chance to win.

That's part of the problem with playing shotmakers of this caliber in one pocket. Sometimes you paint them into a corner and only leave them one way out, and they shoot the shot you are hoping they will shoot, and they make it and beat you!
 
Is there any chance?

I just want to know, can Jay and Lou play a one pocket grudge match which is streamed by POV like the famous Figueroa/Barton match? Loser has to apologize to the other and admit that he's wrong?
 
lfigueroa said:
BTW, for all who say DO is not deploying questionable gamesmanship: late in the match, perhaps during one of the last couple of games, Dennis scratched and had to spot a second ball on the spot. He spotted it *way* off line so it would negate any of the normal shots you'd shot in the two balls on the spot. situation. Fortunately, Tony saw it and correctly spotted the second ball.

Lou Figueroa
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The only thing off line are your comments Lou. I was right there looking down the barrel when he spotted that ball. Tony asked Dennis to check the spot and Dennis may have moved the ball a sixteenth of an inch and Tony was satisfied. It was hard to spot that second ball and Dennis had to tap it down with his cue.

I discounted all your comments after you said Dennis was stalling in an attempt to shark Tony. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't know why you're always trying to stir up trouble Lou. Are you so unhappy in your own life and with your own failings that you need to bring other people down?
 
wahcheck said:
I just want to know, can Jay and Lou play a one pocket grudge match which is streamed by POV like the famous Figueroa/Barton match? Loser has to apologize to the other and admit that he's wrong?
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Let me make something perfectly clear here. I have pretty much quit playing pool entirely due to arthritis in my shoulder and elbow joints. I only hit a ball if I want to show someone a shot. It's hard for me to get down on the balls and a long game of One Pocket would cause me severe pain.

And even if I could play pool again, I prefer to play for enjoyment with people whose company I enjoy. Lou would not be one of them. I don't need the money and I don't need the aggravation. And my ego doesn't require me to prove anything to anyone.
Thanks for asking anyway.
 
westcoast said:
What was the size of the pockets for that table?

It seems that Dennis plays a bit better on gold crowns.

Having said that, tony came up huge in those last two games. I can hardly believe he shot that carom/combo. Very risky shot
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I asked this question awhile back and was otld....4 1/4 vs Frost vs 4 1/8 Cohan. 1/16'' difference tighter I think, which Helps Cohan.
 
jay helfert said:
The only thing off line are your comments Lou. I was right there looking down the barrel when he spotted that ball. Tony asked Dennis to check the spot and Dennis may have moved the ball a sixteenth of an inch and Tony was satisfied. It was hard to spot that second ball and Dennis had to tap it down with his cue.

I discounted all your comments after you said Dennis was stalling in an attempt to shark Tony. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't know why you're always trying to stir up trouble Lou. Are you so unhappy in your own life and with your own failings that you need to bring other people down?
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Just check the tape.

He spotted the second ball WAY off line -- any pool player who does that knows better -- he totally did it on purpose and it was a sleaze move.

Lou Figueroa
 
jay helfert said:
Let me make something perfectly clear here. I have pretty much quit playing pool entirely due to arthritis in my shoulder and elbow joints. I only hit a ball if I want to show someone a shot. It's hard for me to get down on the balls and a long game of One Pocket would cause me severe pain.

And even if I could play pool again, I prefer to play for enjoyment with people whose company I enjoy. Lou would not be one of them. I don't need the money and I don't need the aggravation. And my ego doesn't require me to prove anything to anyone.
Thanks for asking anyway.
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lol.

Too bad arthritis couldn't keep you out of the booth.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
Just check the tape.

He spotted the second ball WAY off line -- any pool player who does that knows better -- he totally did it on purpose and it was a sleaze move.

Lou Figueroa
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I've had my disagreements with Jay in the past, but the only one being sleazy here is you.
 
jay helfert said:
My overall evaluation of the match is that Dennis was not well prepared to play on this particular table and remained somewhat uncomfortable on it for the first two and half days, gradually getting the feel of it a little bit at a time. He was still behind by 5-6 games on day three when he seemed to find his stroke and his game. That's when I first saw him get loose and start to play his A game. He quickly closed the gap and ended the day only one game behind.
For all the world it looked like Tony was ripe to be had on day four. Many were saying that Tony would fold under the pressure. I didn't think that would be the case and I said so to several people, saying I didn't think Tony's game would go down and Dennis had to continue with his best pool, and he did! What was unexpected was that Tony would raise his game even higher, finding and shooting several remarkable shots that turned games around. Dennis helped him out by failing to run balls when he had the chance. Normally we would expect to see Dennis run seven or eight and out with an open table and this was not the case. He was running three, four and five and getting stuck. Even getting six balls ahead was no guarantee of a win. Tony would bank a ball off the end rail and tie the game up or go ahead in a blink of an eye.
In the end it was Tony's high caliber offense that took the day, Dennis waving the white flag and offering his hand. Dennis was a gracious loser and quietly packed his equipment while Tony basked in his victory. To their credit both men acted like true sportsmen throughout the four days. There was no whining or complaining, or even any talking while the other man was at the table. They were quiet (VERY QUIET) and serious, both intent on doing the best they possibly could. It was beautiful pool between two greats of the game.
I appreciate those who reached out to me and thanked me for my commentary. For those who would attempt to belittle me, I defy any of you to pick out on a television monitor the insane shots Tony found in the pack. It was Efrenesque the way he fooled everyone in the room, commentators included. I was literally stunned by some of the shots he pulled off. Also his ability to kick open balls toward his hole was mesmerizing as well. The way Tony banked with utter confidence and pocketed long difficult shots with ease left me in awe of his ability. Yet in spite of all Tony's numerous skills, Dennis found a way to battle him neck and neck to the end. If ever there was a match that calls for a rematch, this would be it. :thumbup2:
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Did you ever consider that 'they' might not be attempting to get personal and belittle you at all?
Maybe it's just their opinion that they don't like the way you do commentary on a game and they don't think you're very good at it.
And they think someone else, other than you, could do it better?
 
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jay helfert said:
Let me make something perfectly clear here. I have pretty much quit playing pool entirely due to arthritis in my shoulder and elbow joints. I only hit a ball if I want to show someone a shot. It's hard for me to get down on the balls and a long game of One Pocket would cause me severe pain.

And even if I could play pool again, I prefer to play for enjoyment with people whose company I enjoy. Lou would not be one of them. I don't need the money and I don't need the aggravation. And my ego doesn't require me to prove anything to anyone.
Thanks for asking anyway.
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Sorry to learn of your physical ailments, Jay.....I just thought it would be a good and interesting matchup.........
 
jasonlaus said:
Could be. Sometimes we get a new cue and play great for a bit then it goes to crap lol
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Ya I call that new stick syndrome, I got a closet full of those one week sticks ,, I'd say it takes weeks if not months to get fully acclimated to a new cue simply ain't happening in a week or two

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Low500 said:
Did you ever consider that 'they' might not be attempting to get personal and belittle you at all?
Maybe it's just their opinion that they don't like the way you do commentary on a game and they don't think you're very good at it.
And they think someone else, other than you, could do it better?
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Let me give you a little insight on the problem with Jay's commentary.

A few years back at the US Open One Pocket in Vegas, Jay and I were in the booth together for a TAR stream. Afterwards -- apparently unimpressed with *my* commentary -- he tried to school me on what the Brits had told him about commentating for the MC. Basically, the guidance they had given him was: talk into the microphone like you're speaking to your grandmother who has never watched pool before.

And I said to him, "Jay, that's nuts. We're doing a TAR stream for guys that know 1pocket, or at least have a more than rudimentary knowledge of the specific game and the sport at large."

But he would not be dissuaded. He took the Sky Sports guidance -- that was marginally applicable to the MC audience -- and ever since has been trying to apply it to entirely different, far more sophisticated audiences.

And that's only one of the reasons -- along with his basic lack of serious 1pocket knowledge -- his commentary blows chunks.

IMO :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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