Absolutely at the skills he specializes in he's great. Something has to give. Ask Shaq how his free throw shooting was.
Hmmmm! Someone go teach Florian "Venom" Koehler how to shoot with T.O.I.
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Absolutely at the skills he specializes in he's great. Something has to give. Ask Shaq how his free throw shooting was.
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So, he is not much of a regular pool player (only a great trick shot artist)? At what skill level does he play at? Has he played in any of the tours in the past? Why do you think that he has issues with his regular pool game? Have you seen him play before?
I really don't have a clue as to ,the answer to this question...so I'll ask others what they think: If today's world class nine - ball players were to stop playing nine - ball and turn their attention exclusively to the kind of stuff Florian does, would they attain the same level of skill he possesses.
I've always wondered the same thing about The Harlem Globetrotter players. Few of them have or had the skill to play in the NBA. Do most NBA players have the skill to do what the Globetrotters do though?
I've always wondered the same thing about The Harlem Globetrotter players. Few of them have or had the skill to play in the NBA. Do most NBA players have the skill to do what the Globetrotters do though?
Earl could do anything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8pDccgPKxo
A bench warmer makes more than the ENTIRE HG squad. They "do fun". Highly skilled? Not so much.
The wing shots were nice. It's no way a display of skill on a par with what Florian does though. The shot after the wing shots was a trick shot....not an unimpressive trick shot; but, a trick shot and not a skill shot. In an earlier post you stated that you know trick shot players who don't shoot conventionally very well. There's a bit of trickery in some of Florian shots; but at their core they're skill shots, not trick shots....and WOW....is there ever skill involved!
The Harlem Globetrotters....not too much skill......HUH? Haven't you ever seen one of them make a hook shot from near the scorer's table on the first try? Granted....he practices that hook shot every day; but, you're saying it doesn't take too much skill?.....Gee!
For me the proof is when he says he made those runs. I know Florian long time back when he wasnt famous and he is really a honest and down to earth guy. If he says he ran 5racks in 9b, 73 in 14-1 and 10 ball run in 3cushion (his own words cca 2 mins back) i believe it 100%. :smile:
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Take number 105 and 74 on his super loose trick shot table. You were impressed with this?
Seems like a nice guy and and I didn't doubt his claim. I once saw a horrible C+ who had NEVER run 2 racks of anything make a 44 ball run playing his first game of 14.1. Declared the game to be easy. I told him I would give him $50 if he could run 15 (this would force a break shot) in the next hour. Never even came close again.
Well it seems we are only arguing about semantics.
Like I said - Florian is no way a pro apart from artistic pool but he is not an average player neither, average "Joe the Banger" doesnt have high run of 5 racks of 9b or 10caroms in 3-cushion averaging 0.6 Average regional tournament player (if he actually had time for that..) would be more precise, thats also what you probably meant :smile:
As I posted earlier, I read somewhere that he wasn't much of a conventional shot - maker. I found this diificult to understand. Now some posters are stating that he is, in fact, a very fine shot - maker. Having watched his videos some more, it simply defies common sense to think otherwise.
His cue ball control is phenomenal! ...not only on masse' shots. Every now and then he shoots with a conventionally level cue and puts some amazing draw and sidespin on the CB. He can kick also!
If he's only a very fine; but, less than pro - level shot - maker. It's probably because he devotes most of his practice time to his "Shtick shots." Really....why should he stop doing what he's doing now. Should what he's doing now deserve less merit in the billiard world than competitive nine - ball play? I think not!......
I'm still dieing to know if when he shoots conventionally, he uses T.O.I. With that control of spin he possesses......!
His cue ball control is phenomenal! ...not only on masse' shots. Every now and then he shoots with a conventionally level cue and puts some amazing draw and sidespin on the CB. He can kick also!
If he's only a very fine; but, less than pro - level shot - maker. It's probably because he devotes most of his practice time to his "Shtick shots." Really....why should he stop doing what he's doing now. Should what he's doing now deserve less merit in the billiard world than competitive nine - ball play? I think not!......
I'm still dieing to know if when he shoots conventionally, he uses T.O.I. With that control of spin he possesses......!
Stop trolling.
No one is saying he's going to win a major event. But he could probably show up at your local open tournament and do very well.
Knowledge and stroke he's an A player for sure. Running out ain't hard.
You are not that good at judging talent.
Florian uses HOMB system, he is practice freak. He practices to no end until the blisters on his hands literally start to bleed (no kidding, sometimes the pics of his hands are quite scary). And with the amount of talent he has even sky is no limit for him in artistic pool.
Stop being so sensitive. Nobody is trolling. I simply don't equate the same skillset to his profession. Most professional tennis players are super strong table tennis players...but not Olympic caliber. Same yet different.
Not good at assessing talent? OK simple question: What would a major tournament victory do for his trick shot career (especially with the APA crowd that he markets to)?
Therefore the fact that he doesn't play in any of these events speaks volumes.
Florian uses HOMB system, he is practice freak. He practices to no end until the blisters on his hands literally start to bleed (no kidding, sometimes the pics of his hands are quite scary). And with the amount of talent he has even sky is no limit for him in artistic pool.
You would have to be the most patient guy in the world. I like watching the trick shots, but man, I hate to practice them. You gotta shoot them hundreds of times... which is not even the worse part, setting them all back up is the crapping part. I do not have the patience of Job.
Heck, I use to pay my son when he was little to keep spotting balls when shooting some drills so I wouldn't have to
I wouldnt call someone who can run 5 racks in a row in 9b and 80+ in 14-1 "a very average level"
Would you like to back Florian in a 9-ball match against Joey Dupuis?
From what I've seen, he seem like a 550ish fargo player. So, not close to an A player around here. I'd bet against him cashing in the SBE Amateur open tournament. The two videos you posted are cool but I'd need to see more to say he's anywhere near A speed. I'm sure if he applied himself he could be a very good pool player, I just don't think he really plays pool. Which is fine, trick shots are his thing and he does very well with them. It's not something I like but to each their own. I'd be very impressed if I were wrong and he really could play.
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Probably not but i would definitely bet some if the person playing Joey would be me:grin-devilish:
Even if he's not an A player, how hard would it be for him to get there.
Not hard at all.
As for why he doesn't enter in bigger tournaments. Why would he? Dude makes more than most pool players, gets plenty of exposure, and all with none of the headache.
So you don't think Florian and nine - ball players are using the same skill - set? ......I couldn't disagree more....at least as a practitioner of T.O.I. My recognition of the similarity of the skill sets required of both, was the impetus for my opening post.
Both Florian type shots and T.O.I. require an exquisite control of spin for success to occur. Masse' shots require as enormous an amount of spin as a player is capable of delivering. T.O.I. shots require as slight an amount of spin as a player is capable of delivering.
The thing is, although Florian shoots masse' shots most of the time, every now and then he comes down with the butt of the cue near the table in a conventional style. He, however, still maintains that exquisite control over cue ball spin. He hits some fabulous side spin shots and draw shots with his cue down.
All this being the case, I was just wondering what kind of conventional shot - maker he would have turned out to be if he had never gotten into skill - shot shooting and concentrated on mastering T.O.I instead....not that I think conventional pool is a better or worse test of cueing skill or higher or lower in terms of status or merit in the pool world....I'm just wondering
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