Inconclusive. (I forgot to do it.). But I missed two shots in 5 games, both were very thin case shots. I overcut them.
Here is a shot for anyone to try it 20 times and tell me what side you miss on. I try to hit it a "five" on the hole which means it hits the right hand cushion point of the pocket and a definite over cutting. The OB is on the X= 1, and Y = 2.5 diamonds, the CB is at X = 7, and Y = 1. Try it. If you over cut it, it will roll right back onto the end rail and the CB down where it is... a nice safety.
Here is a shot for anyone to try it 20 times and tell me what side you miss on. I try to hit it a "five" on the hole which means it hits the right hand cushion point of the pocket and a definite over cutting. The OB is on the X= 1, and Y = 2.5 diamonds, the CB is at X = 7, and Y = 1. Try it. If you over cut it, it will roll right back onto the end rail and the CB down where it is... a nice safety.
Here is a shot for anyone to try it 20 times and tell me what side you miss on. I try to hit it a "five" on the hole which means it hits the right hand cushion point of the pocket and a definite over cutting. The OB is on the X= 1, and Y = 2.5 diamonds, the CB is at X = 7, and Y = 1. Try it. If you over cut it, it will roll right back onto the end rail and the CB down where it is... a nice safety.
Not a high percentage shot on my table, but I made 14 of 20. Hit 4 shots a touch too thick and 2 shots a touch too thin. From that distance if the CB is +/- 0.08 inches off on hitting the right spot on the OB you're going to miss the shot.
Not a high percentage shot on my table, but I made 14 of 20. Hit 4 shots a touch too thick and 2 shots a touch too thin. From that distance if the CB is +/- 0.08 inches off on hitting the right spot on the OB you're going to miss the shot.
True, but the whole point of this is that after doing the shot, isn't the "over cut" the better way to go? And, I say, most people will under cut the shot, leaving a pure sell out. I practice this a lot.
could you post a pic of you shooting some shots ?I wish you put a before and after pic.
These cuts in discussion have a pattern based on length and which side of the visual system and what side of the table.....not based on cut angle alone.
Some shots from the stand up, you want to visually align to what appears thick and no way in hell is that the right approach......when if trusted, by the time you fall into address, you will be perfect, a very nice contact relationship and actually be fighting thin vs the visual of appearing just a hair thick.
......and all this changes from one side, distance etc etc to another but there is a pattern, thus a way to understand this dilemma of what i estimate to be about 5 key elements of triangulation, table hindrance, delivery skew etc etc.
I am speaking in terms of command of 3 sides of the cueball. If it's just a question of pocketing these shots one dimensionally, then aim contact points or whatever system and shoot and then make necessary adjustments over time.
But when you want a vertical roll, or low spin or stun or all the other variables, you got to understand deeper as to just what the hell mind and visual games these things are playing on a person.
Its a con job magic show imo.
could you post a pic of you shooting some shots ?
thanks
On this particular shot at that distance on a 9ft, if you have to shoot it, the best goal is to simply go for a center pocket shot. There's a little more than +/- 3° margin of error from the center. Trying to purposely pocket it on the thin side will more than likely result in more misses. I would much rather hear someone say "that was a Nice shot" than "at least he hit it on the pro side." My point is, and I'm sure most strong players would agree, especially pro, if you decide to pocket this ball you're not going to shoot it purposely thin just in case you miss. That undermines confidence. Unless of course you're playing a "case" shot and you really don't expect to pocket the ball but realize you play offense and defense together. But it's usually one or the other, no iffy business.
Sure, everytime we see a guy over-cut a ball we like to say, "At least he hit it on the pro side." You hear commentators say it everytime a pro misses by over-cutting the ball, but I guarantee you, unless that pro was playing a 2-way style case shot, he (or she) wanted to split the pocket with that ball, not overcut it.
I totally agree with you here. I have always said it is just plain wrong to aim for the point of the pocket to hope you get safe if you miss. Aim for the center of the opening, and you won't miss so many, you double your margin of error.
Exactly. Once you commit to the goal of pocketing the ball, you should give yourself the best chance of success.
True, but the whole point of this is that after doing the shot, isn't the "over cut" the better way to go? And, I say, most people will under cut the shot, leaving a pure sell out. I practice this a lot.
Put it this way..... If you happen to miss due to hitting a shot too thin, it's usually better than missing by hitting it too full. But that doesn't mean you should play it thinner in case you miss. I mean, if you're good enough to pinpoint a particular section of the pocket on nearly a 50° shot from over 6ft away, you should have no reason to play it thin "in case" you miss. Just shoot the ball in.
Okay, let's name all of the things that could make the OB go straighter than we meant it to producing an under-cut shot; collision-induced throw, chalk on the CB, dirty balls, etc. I'm sure there are about 6 more of those. How many make it go thinner: ................ (none)?
Oh I understand the concept of targeting the ob thinner than needed to account for CIT. But you are talking about pocketing this ball purposely into the right facing, which means you have to go beyond cutting a little thinner to account for CIT. You have to aim to miss the pocket, or at least for the tip of the pocket. You cut your margin of error in half. By targeting just right of center, the give yourself the best chance if pocketing the ball every time.
I think that every time, the person should look at the hole; #1 the thickest--- #3 the middle, and #5 the thinnest hit. My teacher does this on every shot. He aims at the portion of the pocket he wishes to hit and as he goes around the table, he'll announce it, saying where he hit the pocket. He wants me to do the same getting the target so precise. If his shape doesn't turn out, it might be because he hit the pocket to thick or to thin. I'll catch hell on AZB because nobody has ever heard of someone doing that, but it makes sense to me and I've seen him doing it time after time. And, he has trained himself to do this for the last 45+ years. A nice habit to learn. I know if anyone raises hell about that, it's because they are jealous as hell. Nothing hard about it, just a matter of practicing it and affecting the brain. Professional golfers don't just look at the green, they have a precise spot to hit the ball to. Even on the driving range, they are aiming at a yardage sign, a tree trunk, etc. Nothing just out there.
I think that every time, the person should look at the hole; #1 the thickest--- #3 the middle, and #5 the thinnest hit. My teacher does this on every shot. He aims at the portion of the pocket he wishes to hit and as he goes around the table, he'll announce it, saying where he hit the pocket. He wants me to do the same getting the target so precise. If his shape doesn't turn out, it might be because he hit the pocket to thick or to thin. I'll catch hell on AZB because nobody has ever heard of someone doing that, but it makes sense to me and I've seen him doing it time after time. And, he has trained himself to do this for the last 45+ years. A nice habit to learn. I know if anyone raises hell about that, it's because they are jealous as hell. Nothing hard about it, just a matter of practicing it and affecting the brain. Professional golfers don't just look at the green, they have a precise spot to hit the ball to. Even on the driving range, they are aiming at a yardage sign, a tree trunk, etc. Nothing just out there.
Well, like I said, Lassiter played like this. I think it also comes down to the student. Training a beginner to play like this is probably counterproductive. I think it would be good training for an advanced player who might not have spent much time consciously trying to cheat the pocket one way or the other, which is what this is.
I'd be curious whether pro players generally play like this for 9 ball on Diamond tables, or if they prefer the safety of center pocket and either speed or english to get position.