A new old room!

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Up here in Auburn Washington, long time room owner Bert Harvey sold the Performance Grill to Mike and Rhian Deoskey.
They also own the Clubhouse in Kent, have teams from every league in the area and weekly tournaments. Mike and Rhian are great supporters of the local pool scene.

Renamed the "15th St Grill" they basically gutted the place. All new everything, including 10 - 7 ft. and 4 9ft. Diamonds set up and maintained by non other than RKC himself.

The Clubhouse established a reputation for made from scratch, good food and I expect the quality will not change in the new place.

There will be weekly tournaments and plenty of teams looking for players!

Here are a couple of pictures from Fridays opening day.
 

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Happy to see they opened up. I have an appointment in Federal Way tomorrow and hope to swing by and check it out.
 
Nice room. Now move out the 10 Barboxes and replace them with 6 9 footers and you have something.
 
Nick B said:
Nice room. Now move out the 10 Barboxes and replace them with 6 9 footers and you have something.
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I dissagree, the 7fts are always packed, the 9fts no so much, but, there may be a chance to add 4 more 9fts on the other side of the wall behind the row of 9fts already in place.
 
I happen to notice that in Europe or Asia they don’t play on those. There is a lesson in that.


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Nick B said:
I happen to notice that in Europe or Asia they don’t play on those. There is a lesson in that.


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Yeah, mostly because they don't have coin op pool tables....i've lived in Germany and Italy, and can say for sure I've played a lot of 8 ball last pocket on 3 1/2 x 7 coin tables, use to play 200-1,000 marks a game in Frankfurt every chance i got.
 
Also, in our area 7 footers are just showing up. 10 years ago you might find a half dozen. Now there are 3 solid rooms with about 10 each.

We would go to league nationals and our people get DQ'd because all we play on is 8 and 9 foot tables. we get on those little ones and go nuts!
 
realkingcobra said:
Yeah, mostly because they don't have coin op pool tables....i've lived in Germany and Italy, and can say for sure I've played a lot of 8 ball last pocket on 3 1/2 x 7 coin tables, use to play 200-1,000 marks a game in Frankfurt every chance i got.
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The coin ops are in bars. Competitive pool is practiced and played in larger tables.


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Nick B said:
I happen to notice that in Europe or Asia they don’t play on those. There is a lesson in that.


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I guess you missed the 180 or so Diamond 7ft bar tables that shipped to Moscow, Russia last year, there is a lesson in that, if you don't know for sure, you shouldn't say there isn't....LOL
 
So that would represent what? 0.001012% market share. Wow you killed me.


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Nick B said:
So that would represent what? 0.001012% market share. Wow you killed me.


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I personally played on coin ops in Germany way back in 1975, there was no pool rooms with 9fts back then unless you played at the rec centers on base, so your claim holds no water.
 
I like the room a lot, it looks clean, laid out well and offers a lot of fun.

In my opinion, the choice of table sizes is just right as they open new, they have to make money and the 7-footers do that.
I like the fact that they have several 9-footers for one pocket, eight ball, straight pool, nine ball, etc.
Overall a smart, clean beginning. I hope it sees steady growth.

Will Prout
 
realkingcobra said:
I personally played on coin ops in Germany way back in 1975, there was no pool rooms with 9fts back then unless you played at the rec centers on base, so your claim holds no water.
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1975. Good to see your data is current. I travel to Europe regularly on business and most "pool clubs" are full sized or at least 8 footers. This of coarse varies by country. Russia is predominately 9 footers or Russian Billiard / Pyramid which are generally 9, 10 or 12 foot.
 
Nick B said:
1975. Good to see your data is current. I travel to Europe regularly on business and most "pool clubs" are full sized or at least 8 footers. This of coarse varies by country. Russia is predominately 9 footers or Russian Billiard / Pyramid which are generally 9, 10 or 12 foot.
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The point i was trying to make was that in 1975 to 1983 there was no "pool rooms" in Germany, but there was plenty of coin op pool tables, which in turn paved the way for pool rooms to start showing up at a later date. So to imply that in order for a pool room to be sucessful it MUST have all 9fts or it won't work is small minded. How many pool rooms have you opened or owned to be such a critic of other rooms with 7ft pool tables, and not just 7fts, Diamond 7fts, which are the best playing 7fts to ever be built? See, I'm smart enough to know there's an acceptable ballance with 7fts mixed with 9fts that is not to much in one way or the other. Mikes other bar, the Club House, has 10 7ft Diamonds and 2 9ft Diamonds as well....the 7fts are packed 7 days a week, 9fts....not so much, but they do get played. When it comes time to change the Simonis cloth on the tables, the 9fts always show the least amount of usage compared to the 7fts....thats how i judge the demand in table size. Bert had 10 9ft tables in the Performance Grill, they didn't save his ass when 18 months before he closed the doors....i told him he was going to go out of business, it was just a matter of time, so Mike didn't buy the business from Bert, he took over the lease location from the landlord after Bert walked out....owing $$$ to some people i might add. And, instead of opening within 2 weeks, which is what Mike's plans were, it took 2 months just to clean the place up so he could reopen the place....that's how nasty the place really was. The fact that Mike already has a successful working model not more than 20 minutes away from this location, with 7fts and 9fts speaks volumes in not needing to fill a pool room full of 9ft pool tables in order to "MAKE IT" in this industry....wouldn't you agree?
 
Looks like they could have done with two less 7 footers to me. I hate having to share ass space with the next table and wait to shoot.

Otherwise nice looking place.

JC
 
The fact is 9' tables are for players. Almost everyone that I know is not a "player" and would prefer to knock balls around on 7' bar boxes. If a banger gets the bug they will eventually graduate to, if not buy, a 9' table. From a business point of view, having more 7 footers in your room makes more sense. I think it's cool that they even have four 9's. Awesome looking place. I wish it was in San Antonio.
 
JC said:
Looks like they could have done with two less 7 footers to me. I hate having to share ass space with the next table and wait to shoot.

Otherwise nice looking place.

JC
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Unless there's 10' between tables, you're always going to have to share space between them, and as is, your ass don't touch the other table when you're shooting so they're all good, unless your ass is so big you need more room just to walk by them....LOL
 
realkingcobra said:
The point i was trying to make was that in 1975 to 1983 there was no "pool rooms" in Germany, but there was plenty of coin op pool tables, which in turn paved the way for pool rooms to start showing up at a later date. So to imply that in order for a pool room to be sucessful it MUST have all 9fts or it won't work is small minded. How many pool rooms have you opened or owned to be such a critic of other rooms with 7ft pool tables, and not just 7fts, Diamond 7fts, which are the best playing 7fts to ever be built? See, I'm smart enough to know there's an acceptable ballance with 7fts mixed with 9fts that is not to much in one way or the other. Mikes other bar, the Club House, has 10 7ft Diamonds and 2 9ft Diamonds as well....the 7fts are packed 7 days a week, 9fts....not so much, but they do get played. When it comes time to change the Simonis cloth on the tables, the 9fts always show the least amount of usage compared to the 7fts....thats how i judge the demand in table size. Bert had 10 9ft tables in the Performance Grill, they didn't save his ass when 18 months before he closed the doors....i told him he was going to go out of business, it was just a matter of time, so Mike didn't buy the business from Bert, he took over the lease location from the landlord after Bert walked out....owing $$$ to some people i might add. And, instead of opening within 2 weeks, which is what Mike's plans were, it took 2 months just to clean the place up so he could reopen the place....that's how nasty the place really was. The fact that Mike already has a successful working model not more than 20 minutes away from this location, with 7fts and 9fts speaks volumes in not needing to fill a pool room full of 9ft pool tables in order to "MAKE IT" in this industry....wouldn't you agree?
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As a matter of fact my family owed a pool hall for about 10 years and it was quite successful in a non-classical way (more of a restaurant / hangout) than what i would classify a pool hall. Nonetheless you don't have to be a tailor to know good suits.

I get that in today's economy you need multiple revenue streams to be successful. Good food. Bar, darts, coffee etc. Yes you can get more dollars per foot with bar boxes. Here comes the but...I don't think it's good for the game. Call me a purist. I grew up playing snooker on 12 footers and pool on 10's. Bar boxes are ONLY 8 ball machines. Anything else is simply a joke. It doesn't mean I would open a "hall" in that format but to dedicate a room to largely 7 footers IMHO is just wrong. It's kind of like serving poor food cheap. People will come and I can make a buck but I wouldn't want my name associated to it.

Now BB's paving the way for pool halls in Germany... well that's a stretch which you can point to zero data to substantiate. Germany is a hotbed of 14.1. I'm sure they all staring playing that in the bars.
 
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