10 ball, world skill level test, let's find out how players rate.

This is easy,
nothing to it,
maybe 30 minutes.
The Q is the count past the center line

Looks like I'm Gold right now'

You get to call it what you will

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Track conditions: 60 degrees 100% humidity slow
modified 9' model: EXTRAORDINAIRE 102 x 42
4 1/8" snooker bend (gate keepers) pockets with a 3/4" shelf, Big Mouth side pockets.
Pretty Pink K 55 cushions
Gorina 2000 with M cloth rails blue/green
Break and play worker B cue

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Samething i told pbp398, break, play for position of the cue ball after the break, don't worry about the 4 bonus points, try to go after the 10 rack points first, might up your score to the 70s.
 
Hey Glen. This is Jeff from Florence.

Not that I stand a chance but I assume a video is required?

I beat the 10 ball ghost ~70% of the time with ball in hand and magic rack as long as the race is not more than 11.

With wooden rack and ball in hand my percentage drops to ~50%.

Take ball in hand away, lol....it gets real ugly real quick.

I will give it a go when time permits.

BTW, hope all is well with you and your kids.

Jeff
 
Hey Glen. This is Jeff from Florence.

Not that I stand a chance but I assume a video is required?

I beat the 10 ball ghost ~70% of the time with ball in hand and magic rack as long as the race is not more than 11.

With wooden rack and ball in hand my percentage drops to ~50%.

Take ball in hand away, lol....it gets real ugly real quick.

I will give it a go when time permits.

BTW, hope all is well with you and your kids.

Jeff
Hi Jeff, yes i remember you buddy, and my kids are all grown up now....thank god...LOL just take the test like someone is giving you the break and the first shot after the break, which is starting out like you're making a ball on the break everytime. Establish your loints there first, then with practice start working in the extra bonus points.
 
Like I said, you just don't understand FargoRate but that's not your fault -- Mike Page has only answered 8 quad trillion questions about it.

Fargo Rate is the nuts. These guys spent years developing this system. You really should show it some respect. What's funny is you want to use your test to do something that FR is already doing.
 
Like I said, you just don't understand FargoRate but that's not your fault -- Mike Page has only answered 8 quad trillion questions about it.

Fargo Rate is the nuts. These guys spent years developing this system. You really should show it some respect. What's funny is you want to use your test to do something that FR is already doing.

Alright, break down the Fargorating between Pro, Semi-Pro, and Amateur. And how long does it take to get an accurate Fargorate score?
 
According to his Fargorate, would you have bet on him to go as far as he did? According to Fargorate, it takes about 200 games to get a rating, has all of his matches since he was playing in high school been being rated?

My response was simply pointing out that he was well known to FargoRate before the US Open, contrary to what you said. He has about 1,800 games in the system today; I don't know how many he had as of 4 months ago.
 
My response was simply pointing out that he was well known to FargoRate before the US Open, contrary to what you said. He has about 1,800 games in the system today; I don't know how many he had as of 4 months ago.

Well, i find it hard to believe he's been playing in some kind of tournament ever month for the last 2 years, and having his win/loss record being tracked the whole time, because that's about what it would take since he was 16 and still in high school full time.
 
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Like I said, you just don't understand FargoRate but that's not your fault -- Mike Page has only answered 8 quad trillion questions about it.

Fargo Rate is the nuts. These guys spent years developing this system. You really should show it some respect. What's funny is you want to use your test to do something that FR is already doing.

The one thing you're really missing about my skill level test, is that players can compare their scores against everyone elses to get a sense of where they stand rating wise.against the rest of the world so to speak. It's simply a ladder system, rating players from the best at the top, to whr worst at the bottom, and the players can look at their score and see where they fit in.....can Fargorate do that without playing 200 games in tournaments?? The skill level test once again, is a scale of scores, not a player against a player betting system...that's what Fargorate is.
 
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OZE147 you're kind of missing the whole point about the use of the Diamond table as the test table.

No, I don`t miss the point of using Diamond Tables, or Brunswick, or Rasson, or whatever brand.
I agree, that the unification of playing equipment is a key element to professionalise every sport and if there would be an official World Pool Tour (or whatever you want to call it), it is mandatory to have official tables, cloth, balls, rules etc.
But as far as I remember, I never said anything against a standardization of our sport.

And yes, IF you want a fair skill test, everyone should use the same material.

But if we assume, that most clubs, academies and training facilities don`t already have this unified equipment, they need to buy it, need to get it approved etc.

So why should they buy it?
For taking the skill test.
Why should they take the test?
A: To be part of the new tournament series.
B: To set their skill levels and in the end verify, that they deserve their pro status.

To A: This new series isn`t active yet, so why should someone buy equipment to submit scores? And although the funding, as you said, doesn`t rely on buying the new equipment, it relies on your new developed glue and the will of people to accept your new product and the techniques to use it (with your experience in table fittings you want to spread). So in my eyes your are caught in a circle here.
That doesn`t mean that your product and your ideas won`t be a success, but you might consider, that it will take years till this new methods really spread.

To B: As I said, in some parts of the world, especially in Europe, people have quite a good idea about who can call himself a pro and who not. This players proved it several times. That is why they have their fundings, their sponsors and all that goes along with it. And if they lack consistency or don`t get the results needed, they lose this status.
There is no need for a skill test for them.

Don`t get me wrong, I really would love to see this work...but yeah...to be honest, I think that this whole thing isn`t really practicable.

You mentioned the lack of Pros in your area, hate to break it to you but, no area is guaranteed to have Pro level players, they're not picked based on population numbers, they're picked because their test scores show up at the top of the skill level rating charts.

Actually, there is no lack of pro players in my country. (which is quite amazing, if you consider the small amount of pool players we have here). We have a handful of really, really successful pros and semi pros and, as mentioned, they earned their fame through results, not just by calling themselves pros.

Let me ask you another question. Let's say pool was going to be allowed into the Olympics ok, who's going to provide the OFFICIAL pool tables to the Olympics? When you figure that out, you'll start understanding this industry a little better, because the bottom line is allways about sales....and nothing about the players, as long as there's no world organized pool players association, then the players will never have a voice, only their wallets!!!

I absolutely agree with you.
But I can`t see why this is an argument for why your plan will work.
 
Well, i find it hard to believe he's been playing in some kind of tournament ever month for the last 2 years, and having his win/loss record being tracked the whole time, because that's about what it would take since he was 16 and still in high school full time.

Here is some data from his high-school time. It is not a tremendous amount, but it is enough to get an idea how he was playing
 

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According to his Fargorate, would you have bet on him to go as far as he did? According to Fargorate, it takes about 200 games to get a rating, has all of his matches since he was playing in high school been being rated?

I did, this year, and last year.
Jason
 
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The one thing you're really missing about my skill level test, is that players can compare their scores against everyone elses to get a sense of where they stand rating wise.against the rest of the world so to speak. It's simply a ladder system, rating players from the best at the top, to whr worst at the bottom, and the players can look at their score and see where they fit in.....can Fargorate do that without playing 200 games in tournaments?? The skill level test once again, is a scale of scores, not a player against a player betting system...that's what Fargorate is.

And this is PRECISELY why your test isn't accurate! I have run 7 racks of 9 ball in a row 3 time(2 on 9ft, 1 on BB) also have had times where I haven't missed a ball in 15 or so racks - broke dry a few times and opponent ran out.

If I put a run like this together for your test, it would be a few times, in a lifetime of playing pool. It is not an accurate assement of my playing and I would have no business WHATSOEVER competing with the likes of the top Fargo Rate players, who have over time and AVERAGE shown they are the best in the world.
Jason
 
I sense “fear” as much as anything else here; at the limits, within a given quarter, it’s a
snap shot as to who is up to compete, at the minimums it’s something to do,
it’s free -for now- and subjective, hell of a deal.
 
And this is PRECISELY why your test isn't accurate! I have run 7 racks of 9 ball in a row 3 time(2 on 9ft, 1 on BB) also have had times where I haven't missed a ball in 15 or so racks - broke dry a few times and opponent ran out.

If I put a run like this together for your test, it would be a few times, in a lifetime of playing pool. It is not an accurate assement of my playing and I would have no business WHATSOEVER competing with the likes of the top Fargo Rate players, who have over time and AVERAGE shown they are the best in the world.
Jason

Take the test and let us know how you did.
 
Everything else has been tried, really? Like what, that didn't involve someone getting ripped off!!! What else has honestly been tried? Building bigger pool leagues with more members, what has that done for pool? What has Fargorate ever done for pool? What has anyone really done for the Pro Players that support this game world wide....pay a 9 ball world champion $30,000....wow, or the US Open 9 ball champion $40,000? Did Fargorate pay either champion $1 dollar?

I think your jumping on your target market pretty hard in some of your replies here cobra. Even the folks who think you’re crazy are potential revenue if you get this up and running, As far as I know, with my limited 5th grade education as you’ve pointed out, while you’re a respected table mechanic with years of proven experience, like Fargorate you haven’t paid a dime out to any pro players in the form of a tournament. So taking shots at established competitors right now seems a little like air barreling to me. You don’t need to degrade them to push your product. Which makes me think this is somehow all tied to selling glue more than anything else. And that’s all fine too, I’m all for finding a better way to do things.

And for the record I F’ing killed it in 5th grade. Granted, it was a Catholic private school in Louisiana so the bar was pretty low, but damn those penguins could inflict punishment with a metal ruler. Top of the hands and back of the leg were the worst!
 
I can already see how this is going to turn out, Glens going to get rich off the glue sales and say hell with
a pool tour.
 
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